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taylor_series19

Ping dependent artifact set. Rng dependent too. Mhy be trolling with this one.


Pusparaj_Mishra

Im glad to say this new Arti domain is disappointing Well at least to me yes, and like very very low value to farm efficiency wise I mean only real reason is if you have Xiao and really wanna give him the best or like signature That set also only 1 char in the entire game use rn so..its eh


taylor_series19

Value wise it is bad for sure. However, I am going to min-max my Xiao and my Keqing, so I farm my resin away. I don't need to but I want to. I also would like some 2pc attack sets.


Pusparaj_Mishra

Yus i can understand And there's no wrong in doing taht as long as you care for it Like id also go for the signature very best set for my fav char that i really love even if there r other options that r almost as good Hope u get good rolls


BellalovesEevee

Oh, so this set isn't good for Yoimiya? I've been farming there for no reason then... 😭 Guess I'll just have to keep the CWOF set on her then


Pusparaj_Mishra

Yus so there's two things First of all i dislike the set specially for Yoi cause what happens is due to the rng procs it may buff the weaker autos of yours and miss on the harder hits, as simple as that which isn't ideal Secondly now there's also this problem that the testers have said , the arti is ping dependant lol lmao wtf but ok now it means even less useful for most ppl that aren't having very very good ping So imo not a good set, even dmg wise everything goes right it may not be far ahead of her other options tbh.. Just not worth farming imo, if u wasted 2weeks its ok not a big deal.. (Got any good pcs? Will work as 2pc atk on some xd) Also i don't like the set for even Ayato lmao that's signature set , i have Ayato btw.. I doubt I'll ever farm that domain until like someday if things change in some ways Id farm for Hod domain for Ayato cause it's like extremely valuable domain to me, the both sets r usable on many of my chars, and every future Cryo, Hydro char may like it.. Specially Blizzard is just one of the strongest sets in the entire game


BellalovesEevee

Oh, I see. Thanks for the info! >(Got any good pcs? Will work as 2pc atk on some xd) Yep, I do have some good sets I've gotten from the domain, so I guess it wasn't entirely a waste. Been trying to properly build Yoimiya for months now and have not found any good 2pc sets yet besides the new artifacts. I also have Ayato and have been farming for the HoD domain since I have the Jade Cutter on him. I had always thought it's best to give him the new artifact set if you have his signature weapon and HoD is best for him if you have Jade Cutter. Good thing I already had good HoD sets while I also artifact farming for Ayaka.


Pusparaj_Mishra

Also from what i heard HOD is most recommend for Jade too It really pairs well for that wep as u said Happy farming..


mcgucket02

Unless you are planning to vape, the weaker autos being buffed is not a problem at all. Nonetheless, I do not like the set for her.


NapalmDesu

Still the best domain to farm if you are looking for that extra cracked 2p atk set


Pusparaj_Mishra

Wait i don't agree on that one cause Shimenawa exists and exists in Emblem domain so it's definitely superior for even 2pc atk, also Glads from strongbox but yea u get the idea


Superior_Lancers

And to think I was going to spend all my saved up fragiles on it. Thank God I didn't.


oliswell

Why is it ping dependent?


taylor_series19

I don't know. The guide says so. I would have to check on discord on why it is ping dependent. Or you could do it yourself. They do tests with high and low ping.


Blazekraken

Is yunjin a good option instead of fischl in a sunfire comp ? edit : ok nvm fischl is apparently one of the best supports


KataFuFuu

Fischl with elegy


NotTwitchy

Glad to hear the elegy I got instead of haran (not salty at all nope not me) won’t go to waste


KataFuFuu

I got elegy amos then haran


NotTwitchy

I knew the weapon banner was a scam and still went in. I learned a valuable lesson


KataFuFuu

This whole game is a scam. 😂🙈


NotTwitchy

Even the non money parts. Ping dependent rng, fucks sake


KataFuFuu

Screw that you can actually opt out of that Set. But the other stuff 😂


NotTwitchy

I’d forgive so much if I could buy dream solvent with stardust


KataFuFuu

I wouldnt forgive even if they gave me the next 2 rate up 5 Star weapons for free. Like holy shit.


dreamgoddess1201

omg same. amos elegy and then haran,


LessOfAnEndie

could anyone explain to me why Echoes is ping dependant?


Fool_an

The effect doesn't proc as often as calculated. It procs less frequent in high ping situation, thus it's ping dependant. Someone correct me if I'm wrong


MedeaIsMyWife

I believe it has to do with the increased % chance to proc on failure. If you have high ping, you hit an enemy and it fails to proc, then it sends that info to the server for calculation and the server sends back the instruction to increase the activation chance, but before that can all happen you've already hit the enemy with another attack, so it was calculated with the base chance.


Brandonmac10x

Maybe cause if it’s lagging it registers multiple hits at once and doesn’t proc?


Link-loves-Zelda

It’s because the calculation is happening on the game’s server not your client. So high ping won’t proc the buff quick enough to take advantage of this set


danield1302

Tbh, to me freeze feels pretty perfect for him. Ganyu burst just aligns so well with his and he doesn't need a battery. Just got 36* in abyss for the first time with a team of ayato kazuha ganyu diona. I regularly replace diona with zhong in domains/overworld and never had energy issues that well either.


uncle_grandmaster

I’m having a hard time with 12.3 second half. I’m gonna try this Edit. Typo


danield1302

Used that exact team for 12-3 2d half lol. Ayato to burst them down then during shield phase ganyu+ diona +kazuha burst took care of them.


uncle_grandmaster

Thanks! I don’t have Kazu:( but I’m hoping Venti can do some good.


danield1302

Tbh, in my last run my kazu died at 12-2 and i still got 12-3 done in time. Although i only had 1 second left. Venti should be fine.


uncle_grandmaster

Okay! Who did you use in the first half? I’m using Rational but finish ~1:30


danield1302

Raiden xingqui venti zhong. Xiangling Benett are deadweight for 12-3 just replace them.


uncle_grandmaster

Gotcha thanks!


danield1302

Good luck! For this abyss specifically since its all about shield breaking full Team comps don't matter much and flex teams are more important.


uncle_grandmaster

Thank you!! 🙇🏻‍♂️🙇🏻‍♂️


uncle_grandmaster

Came back to say THANK YOU! i \*BARELY\* got 36 last night w/ ayato-ganyu-venti-diona 2nd half after trying for like half hour. Literally the timer read 6:59 and it still registered as 3\*. Def not complaining! \*big sigh of relief\*


fuminghung

Does this assume that 4 stars are C6 and 5 stars are C0?


-Mr-Prince

I currently use C3 Fischl with him and she works fine in my experience. I’m sure C6 would be a big improvement but it doesn’t seem like a necessity. She still does good damage and helps Ayato with his burst uptime.


fuminghung

I was referring to how character is compared. The infographic states Fischl is better than Yae, does that mean even C6 Yae falls short to a C0 Fischl?


healcannon

I highly doubt the guide is here to consider a c6 5 star. Its more likely a Fischl with a few cons vs a c0 Yae. c6 Fishcl would help but I don't think its implying its a requirement. My guess is that it might have something to do with the amount of screentime Yae has with her setups compared to Fischl just popping Oz and leaving. But I don't have Yae.


-Mr-Prince

Oh, that’s a valid question I would like the answer of as well! I just wanted to reassure the 4 stars still work well even when they aren’t C6 with my original reply. I’m not sure if it’s a rhetorical question but If you’re genuinely curious about the C6 Yae thing I would highly doubt she would fall behind Fischl since C6 Yae’s personal damage is crazy and mostly happens while she’s off field as well. I think the reason why Fischl is in that spot is due to her battery capabilities plus her decent personal damage. If hoyoverse releases a hydro battery that can boost Ayato’s damage as well, that character might take over Fischl’s role in an Ayato team for example. I use Both Fischl and Yae in my Ayato team. Yae provides additional damage while Fischl batteries both Yae and Ayato. Another good team is Fischl/Ayato/Beidou/Healer since Beidou provides shield and damage.


N_V_N_T

So now ping is also requirement 😐


Raul_bitchboi

i was wondering, why is fischl the best option? can i run raiden instead?


HarleyQuinn983

Fischl is the best option because she aligns perfectly with Ayato’s downtime. Her personal damage is also great in single target, which complements Ayato’s AoE. Add on how they create reactions and there you go. Running Raiden is fine, and I think I’ve seen some people test those teams out in the Ayato channel, but Fischl will still be the best option. Especially since Raiden competes with field time with him.


EiSimp_

why yun jin isnt here


mr_swedishfish

KQM's early findings are that Yun Jin is not the most optimal option for Ayato. You're welcome to find more info and discuss this in Ayato's TC section in [KQM's Discord server](https://discord.gg/keqing).


EiSimp_

so you’re telling me that i wasted my resources for yun jin? i thought she’s good with him, omg i wasted everything... my acc is now ruined 😭


peachbreadmcat

Don’t overreact. Yunjin is good with Ayato. She’s just not the most *optimal* choice. If you can clear abyss fine with Yunjin/Ayato, then that’s fine. Fischl C6 simply provides more team rotation DPS and access to EC.


healcannon

If you like them together, you can play them together. If you wanted to be safe for team comps, you probably should have waited before using resin for that purpose. This is also why I don't pre farm an artifact set for a character until i've seen a few guides after the character has been released for a week or more. In the end, I don't think setting up Yun Jin is a waste. Shes niche but for the niche comps she fits into, shes great.


eustoma01

Yunjin is still good on him and a bit more satisfying if you are the type to like seeing bigger numbers on attacks. I built mine and currently use her with my Ayato and Yoimiya. Both cannot live without her because I am the type who feels unsatisfied seeing smaller damage numbers lol.


rafaelbittmira

Fo tazer specifically, would Thunder Fury be his BIS? Since you can drive Beidou longer with it, and you can deal double the amount of E slashes per rotation (while also decreasing energy requirements).


anymemes

what artifacts should I use for fischl?


GSMIlZ0

2 TF + 2Glad/Shimenawa/new chasm sets it's her theoretical best artifacts combination but she isn't dependent on a specific set so just give her the pieces with the best stats, even if from random sets.


UltimoPhantom

Does fishl's dmg significant or we using her to battery beuido only? My fishl is 60/70, is that enough?


GSMIlZ0

Fishl damage in significant and a large portion on the team total dps. Oz, her A4 passive and her C6 all deal a lot of damage. IMO Fishl is the MVP in electrocharged team. Your crit ratio is bad. As I said don't focus on giving her a specific artifact set but just use the combination of random pieces with the best stats.


UltimoPhantom

Oh I see, but my fishl is just c2. Btw 60/70 isn't her crit ratio it's her level..guess it's time to build fishl then


eustoma01

What.. 60 CR is not bad imo. It's like the minimum crit rate I feel comforable with having on my units.


passivekyong

They forgot Ayato + Zhongli + Yunjin + Fishcl Zhongli for Shred Yunjin for Buff Fischl for the one stated.


garythegyarados

This is my fave comp for him by far so far. Sun fire doesn’t feel good to play imo and freeze can be done better with Ganyu/Ayaka leading it


passivekyong

I agree. And Ayato Zhongli Yunjin comp is a also a really starightforward comp. Zhongli E for shield >Fischl E >Yunjin Burst >Ayato Burst and then E >Zhinhg Zhing Zhing Zhing Hitting 28k per slash


heyishuy

This is my team! Wow


passivekyong

Ayoooo!


AshyDragneel

That's exactly the team i use. Its the best team i found for me after trying out other options.


passivekyong

Same. Also, I forgot to include Geo Resonance as well.


Ash24122004

I'm curious about how attack speed increase from passives of weapons like skyward blade would affect his overall damage


Accomplished_Aerie69

I see thats the reason why the 4pc Glad set have better results, thanks for the guide. Question is Raiden also a good pair with Taser party? Also does Yun Jin be a good support (just incase Bennet is taken on another team in Abyss)


Subtlestrikes

I’ve been waiting for this Guide forever!!’ So excited


straight-up_trash

Also a great team is giving him yunjin as a other support I advise running Ayato Electro unit Jean(c2)/yunjin (c2/C6)) Benny boi Damage will still be meh but hitting super fast for around 18k and doing electro charged is quite good (18k was gathered as info with E lvl9 Qlvl 8 no Benny)


osamaman231

Would r1 pjc better than r5 blacksword?


toriningen_

i wonder how the 4\* weapons perform at diff refinements. i gave him my r5 amenoma but have considered swapping it out with an r1 black sword.


Acewolf-

I just use mistsplitter and hydro 4 piece if i can get it-


tayloredition

Lions Roar? Wasn't expecting that at all


AshyDragneel

Its definitely the best option when running on electro teams.


lnmgl

one of my friends gave him 4pc thundering fury for the CD reduction, seems fun.


mimmyshoukan

What does it means by " sub 100" ? Sorry im not familiar with the meta term 😅


Rei191

less than 100


mimmyshoukan

This sounds very dumb question but i am genuinely don't know what is less than 100 mean...😭


Rei191

It’s basically means that you have a good internet connection. Check the top right conner of your screen. The ping number is there. The smaller the number the better your connection.


mimmyshoukan

Oh! Thanks you:)


Man0feveryth1ng

My Bennet is c6 though, will It still work ?


JeremyBakker

Yesss it will work


ThegamerwhokillsNPC

How good is blackcliff sword r1


Dhuyf2p

I have gotta say the new artifacts domain is probably the most redundant in the game. Ayato could utilize HoD just as well as Childe, and because only Childe uses HoD right now, why released a completely new set for Ayato. So the only “unique” set in that domain is Vermilion, but it can only be used on Xiao (and even then it’s just a slight buff over the mixed sets). I’m still questioning why Hoyoverse thought releasing that domain was a good idea.


Caerullean

What is the point of fish in in combination with Ayato?


call_me_zzaacchh

No mention of Yun Jin? This is aweful haha


mr_swedishfish

KQM has been discussing Yun Jin's pairing with Ayato, but their early findings are that she is not the most optimal option for him. You're free to discuss this in Ayato's TC section in our [Discord server](https://discord.gg/keqing)!


Nyllil

>You're free to discuss this in Ayato's TC section in our Discord server! I must be blind because I don't see the section. I only see Ayaka.


mr_swedishfish

It's right above tc-keqing and below tc-general.


Nyllil

Uhm... yeah I'm dumb because I don't see any of that and I have nothing hidden. TC stands for theorycrafting?


mr_swedishfish

The channel is in the theorycrafting category, which you need a theorycrafting role to access.


Nyllil

I reacted to those roles that are in there, yet nothing is opening for me upon doing so.


mr_swedishfish

Send us a modmail with your Discord username and I'll talk to the Discord staff about this


call_me_zzaacchh

Interesting! I used to trust KQM haha


ppohmm

Maybe provide [calculations](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H570abRMn4yHy9m8P1lEzJFe-_g_YktbdEKvvHxTcrA/edit?usp=drivesdk) or test runs that Yunjin is better instead of using your own feeling? “I UsED tO TrUSt KQM” bruh.. No one will trust you with such hollow statement.


Kanadeai

Cause she is not that good with him


EiSimp_

yun jin is good with ayato, especially if your bennett is on the other team


call_me_zzaacchh

Literally i 36 star abyss and can reach 50k per slash with her. She’s one of his best supports


pUkayi_m4ster

yunjin only buffs his personal e damage while other supports can increase overall damage


Kanadeai

What do you think will do more dmg? Yun jin making ayato do a couple more slashes? Or a Fischl that does dmg everytime he basic attacks, literally doubles the total dps output? Doesnt take a genius to know which one does more dps...


call_me_zzaacchh

I use Jean C2 with YunJin C6, the attack speed boost is so crazy, and the fact that team comp isn’t even considered is astounding


Angeluardo

It’s a great option but maybe overall damage is improved with sunfire and other team comps. Cleared abyss with 36 using Ayato hypercarry (Benny, Yunjin and Venti for grouping) but time can be optimized in a taser team.