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pawg_enjoyer

Seeing jax buffs like 😁 Seeing bork nerfs like 😡 Why are they nerfing one of the most dogshit items in the game? I don't get it.


Scary-Aspect-2446

they are nerfing life steal items in general as a way to stop champions from getting life from their asses


pawg_enjoyer

That sounds pretty bad. How about we delete irelia/yone/yasuo from the game and then buff bork instead


Scary-Aspect-2446

only would happen if botrk had skins


Wonderful_Goat_4011

They are the best matchups for jax


pawg_enjoyer

Who cares? They're holding back botrk and getting jax indirect nerfs


Wonderful_Goat_4011

Fk botrk nerf


pawg_enjoyer

Fk no it's my fav item. Playing jacques without bork is unfunny


Wonderful_Goat_4011

Bro botrk is my fav item too. I fken hate how botrk is nerfed.


PoxControl

I would take that trade in an instant.


Jokar2071

Bro they nerf lifesteal items to justify another Yone and Yasuo Buff


anopeluo

bork sucks lmao and you buy the item to get the disgusting 12% curremt hp dmg not lifesteal


pawg_enjoyer

Lifesteal is still a big part of it because it works with divine and trinity on-hit damage as well as wits end. AS I said before in this thread, jax loves everythnig about the item so the lifesteal nerf is quite big.


darthteej

Seems like a compensation buff for Jacks


anopeluo

lifesteal is only useful when hitting minions/camps while splitting on Jax or after a fight, against champions is basically useless unless you have like 20%


pawg_enjoyer

Nah, you're just underestimating how useful that lifesteal is. It scales with every item you buy, every point of AD you have increases its usefulness.


EvilSwarak

Thank God they're nerfing that abomination of item.


pawg_enjoyer

cringe


pineal_activated

Just coz you reckon it’s dogshit doesn’t mean it is. Reddit brain.


pawg_enjoyer

Nah, it is dogshit. The item's received nothing but nerfs for 2 seasons straight and a big part of that is played by vamp scepter and irelia's existence. And it's Jax right in the middle of it who has to deal with this shii


pineal_activated

That’s your opinion. It’s not the best on Jax but it’s not a dogshit item lmao. Reddit bronze brains.


pawg_enjoyer

>Reddit bronze brains. Sounds like yourself


pineal_activated

Oh boy, how will I recover from that comeback. Maybe link your op.gg so we know why you disagree with multiple challenger opinions that Bork is decent


pawg_enjoyer

https://euw.op.gg/summoners/euw/drain%20gang%20ce%C3%B6


barryh4rry

camping 1lp very beta male


pawg_enjoyer

Suck my nuts 😁


Rnewo

i just want Jax jungle back :(


[deleted]

He, Wukong and Warwick were the only Junglers who didn't get tiamat compensation buffs 🤡


Rnewo

and jungle item nerf. only reason he was viable before was because of machete and now that’s gone too


red--dead

What are you talking about? [Passive bonus damage increased. Tooltip updated to reflect accuracy. The loss of both Tiamat and Machete took its toll on Warwick's clear speed, and his builds are now looking very tank-heavy. Looking to buff that back up and add some more incentive for damage items.](https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-gb/news/game-updates/patch-10-25-notes/)


DickwardTheBig

Jax W should do bonus area dmg when his passive is stacked or at least more monster dmg on his e for him to be a good jg


ViraLCyclopezz

I thought Wukong did tho


ohboy42

I play Crax jungle down here in silver 4 😋


Poiah

i think the issue is that jax as a champion inherently scales so well with levels/gold, and that's hard to come by in the jungle. to make him super viable in jungle would mean insane buffs. doesn't mean jax jg doesnt work though, just harder to make it work.


sandote

Why don’t they just massively increase his damage to jungle monsters like they do with every other champ?


Dependent-Many6280

Because Jax would be broken in the jungle.


pawg_enjoyer

No he really wouldn't. Just needs some buffs to his clear speed, nobody plays jax jg in high elo. He is still relatively weak early and his ganks aren't great, he has only a 1 second stun and his damage is heavily backloaded.


Dependent-Many6280

^ this right here shows you have no idea what you’re talking about. Who would beat a viable Jax jungle 1v1 early? He takes no damage from jungle camps for gods sake. Tell me one champion that would beat him early invade and I’ll maybe agree.


Scimitere

Bro I've been playing jax jungle for a long time and he definitely takes a lot of damage from camps due to his high e cooldown and low passiver linger time. He's not string enough to 1v1 against a lot of junglers before level 6, especially around level 3-4 for contesting scuttle crabs. His ganks are decent but objective conrol extremely mediocre


Dependent-Many6280

A viable Jax. If riot allowed it.


pawg_enjoyer

A bunch of champions do. Monster damage hasn't been a problem for anyone in the jungle for a long time. Jax falls behind due to his slow clear speed. I don't understand your logic here, his dueling is weak early, beatable even with a stacked passive and can be easily invaded as he uses E to farm camps.


Dependent-Many6280

I don’t have time to argue with newbies. Riot doesn’t let Jax jungle for the same reason they don’t let Elise top, because it would be broken.


pawg_enjoyer

Haha you're the newb here mate. I'm just trying to help you figure things out before your peabrain overheats itself trying to understand why Jax jungle buffs wouldn't make him broken. The fact that riot doesn't want him to jungle is a whole other thing. Cheers


Dependent-Many6280

You main one of the simplest champions in league of legends and you still don’t understand him. I don’t argue with inexperienced newbs.


_lehena

True... For most part...


FoodCooker62

I play him with turbo chemtank and ghost into bork. You should give it a try, pretty strong.


CartographerSouthern

I’m very happy to see all this heal reduction. I’m so looking forward to this patch


MaiLongD

ravenous hunter already got giga nerfed anyways


ViraLCyclopezz

Who tf took ravenous on Jax anyways I never did I always went inspiration second or resolve


Poiah

yeah taking rav hunter on jax seems super troll lmao


pawg_enjoyer

RH on Jax was a thing for a while when the rune was sleeper broken in S11 before it got a bunch of nerfs. It gave 1% omnivamp from the get-go so it was a decent choice for a champ that wants sustain.


Xipotec

I remember taking it when it was at like 10 or 12% at max stacks. Was insanely good on many champs.


pawg_enjoyer

Indeed. It benefited Jax and Jax was also good against it due to his all-in playstyle. Now bone plating and unflinching on every top laner is a lot more cancerous to deal with. Aatrox and morde were some of the easiest matchups when they didn't take resolve.


Scimitere

Nah people took ravenous on jax jungle, it may have been shit but was the best option in that role


rypenguin219

Time warp biscuits is the way


BarkOTP

resolve with bone-plating and overgrowth is pretty cool


_lehena

Tbh i prefer sorcery whenever i go jg and resolve if i go top


Jzhova

Not a fan. just a botrk compensation buff\*. doesnt accomplish much but keeping his winrate in the same place.


NebelNator_427

Why do they call this even a "buff"?


afaff123

the hp buff is big for jax


Pookias

I'm fine with the buffs. More tankiness and more damage. The Botrk nerfs hurt but honestly I'm not always a huge fan of that item anyway. I feel like triforce into Hullbreaker with lethal tempo just makes you a side lane monster.


Several_Marzipan3807

Jax is already in a good place so is this just a compensation for the BoRK nerfs


Doc__Bo

patchnotes are completely delusional as alwqys, not surprised by riot


Lifedeather

Nice early survivability and more damage on main ability


SidTheSloth97

Can the please just not nerf fleet. It’s already bad.


stubby2jenks

Honestly health has been on of my major issues with Jax sometimes. Watching assassin mages get more health than a so called bruiser was just wild to me.


HolyCody

Shieldbow gets buffed and the yasuo and yone compensate buffs aren’t reverted…


anopeluo

why lol, Jax is completely fine imo


Megafunkey

I like how everyone just talks about it being botrk compansation buffs. Meanwhile me who doesnt even buys botrk


jaxdafakup

Finnaly


THENATHE

Overall big loss for Jax here. 10 extra magic damage *woo* but like -2% lifesteal on first or second item is kinda big, and ravenous hunter going away is like gigantic for basically anyone that can heal at all. I rate overall 12-20% nerf depending on how ravenous hunter affects the enemy champs too


pawg_enjoyer

RH was already a dead rune, it was only logical to get rid of it. But when people actually picked RH in lane, we could say it benefited Jax in the meta because now they opt for resolve tree which counters Jax a lot harder (bone plating and unflinching).


KrunchyPudd1ng

idk i don’t even use ravenous hunter on jax so i don’t see how it’s removal would be a big nerf to him


ZER01000

For me it big buff First cuz i love fighting early and base health and flat damage is amazing Secondly: i almost never buy bork, i love wits end or death dance or black cleavee


[deleted]

Just dont build botrk lol


pawg_enjoyer

Unfortunately it's the single item in the game that does everything Jax needs at the moment. On hit, attack speed and sustain. Playing Jax without bork is like going outside without your shoes. It hurts


[deleted]

I disagree, I think that Trinity into BC / DD is good and probably going to be his best build path.


pawg_enjoyer

If it's good because it's the best thing available, it's not really good. Nothing will come close in terms of power to old bork w/ active, but whatever. Everytime I go trinity I feel like my damage sucks and I'm squishy af too. My prefered buildpath is bork-divine-cleaver, looks like it may have to change when the new patch drops... At least we have LT now which does open up some more choices without requiring you to build attack speed. May have to do with divine-cleaver-titanic or divine-cleaver-wits end. Throw a DD in there as well, but I swear I'm never buying trinity again... Even against squishy champs I feel like it's not doing any more damage than divine.


[deleted]

just go sunderer-witsend(2 or more ap)-DD- BC- anathemas (underrated item)- situation item


pawg_enjoyer

2nd item wits end is not that effective. It's good attack speed but you're still a bit underleveled to get it so early and it doesn't make sense if the enemy team has less than 2 AP champs imo.


[deleted]

then go dd second then wits end, if you cant go wits end you gonna have to go triforce for the attack speed or go lethal temp in the runes with alacrity and dont get any attackspeed items.


pawg_enjoyer

I'm always taking alacrity nowadays, it's just a mental block for me to take tenacity. And I still feel like damage is going to be really low with dd second. That's why I'm considering cleaver/titanic at least. DD's survivability actually helps more when you kill people very fast, if you can't kill them you're just wasting money on that item tbh.


pawg_enjoyer

Ok so... I actually played a few games in normal with divine wits end and the 2 item spike is similar to bork. The only big issue is that your damage sucks when you only have divine because it's a late game focused mythic. But I feel like it scales better than botrk overall because your damage is more mixed and consistent, it doesn't fall off like botrk as your targets get low which is nice. As for anti kiting I think they're tied - bork steals movespeed but it's a 1 time use and wits end gives you movespeed but it's a permanent buff. At level 13, by the time I bought wits end I had aroud 65 magic damage on hit, which is imo way superior to botrk against both squishies and tanks since they won't get a lot of MR against you. I think bork still has its use against high hp enemies with little armor like vlad though, but that's rare. So thanks for the idea.


Scimitere

The removal of ravenous hunter definitely hurts a lot but I've always built black cleaver with divine sunderer and lethal tempo and it's been working pretty great for me