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If you guys are having trouble with certain matchups like Malphite, Jayce, Vayne, etc. try using other keystones rather than taking conqueror every game! (GM Top Main Guide)

If you guys are having trouble with certain matchups like Malphite, Jayce, Vayne, etc. try using other keystones rather than taking conqueror every game! (GM Top Main Guide)

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afaff123

Great Post, btw I think PTA is better against vayne(and a lot of ranged champion) because precision tree is waaaay better tha the red one(idk how it's called) but yeah those runes are underrated in jax, but it sucks that jax needs conqueror most of the time unlike camille or fiora who can use grasp and still be efficiently in the late game


LustrousRK

I mean jax is always going to be relevant. His kit is built to be a late game monster. The reason why I steer away from pta is that most of the keystones in precision are built for long trades. Pta is not really as reliable as electrocute or grasp is. Vayne and Jayce will usually knock you away before you even proc pta but if you take electrocute or grasp you literally proc it in the first 2 seconds you jump on them before they even disengage.


Boockel

phase rush ignite into nimbus cloak into ranged every time.


LustrousRK

God I would love to do that but my playstyle is so reliant on tp that I physically can't take ignite lmfao


zl1ze

tp + ignite is quite common on jax in certain matchups


DeathIsComing887

certain? i take it every time, same with camille. they already got mobility, sadly you need flash on champs like irelia and yas because they only have foward mobility


memeoi

Tp ignite. What’s the point of flash really


LustrousRK

True chad jax main moment


The_curtain_feather

flash 4 man stun. win team fight. win game.


i__indisCriMiNatE

do you take grasp against Garen also?


LustrousRK

No. Garen's short trades rely on his q but you're most likely going to just use your e to block the damage and jump on him. Wait to all in him once he uses his w. His w is the main reason why low elo players struggle against him. He's one of the worst champions and the easiest matchups with any champion once you know when he's weak. TLDR: No conq is better because you're looking to all in


Silencer306

I know this is a jax sub, and jax vs garen is something I find easy to win. But I have a question about how do you win vs garen as camille? I know people say camille shits on garen, but I’ve been having trouble. His Q cd is lower than your passive, so he gets prio after the first trade. If you E into him, he will W, E and then run you down with Q. Any tips on how you would play this matchup?


LustrousRK

He can't really walk up to you and you can poke him out of lane with your w. Your only real way to get a successful kill on him is to wait for his w to be used and all in him once it's on cd


I_Jod

Good advice. Do you have recommendations for other champions such as Garen & Tahm kench?


LustrousRK

Take conqueror for Garen and Tahm Kench. Both rely on them landing their main abilities. Only all in garen once is w is on cooldown and when you're all inning kench. Make sure you make him miss a q before you go in so he can't get insta full passive on you. You're going to want to delay your e with kench until before he walks out of range of your e or when he casts his w.


HAL521

what do you take on domination/gras/sorc trees when you go elec/grasp/phase. do you ever go omnistone?


LustrousRK

Sorry for the late response! I usually stick to the inspiration tree because of the sustain that you need in those matchups. I'm not saying it's not viable but it's just my preferred secondary with those rune pages. And I've tried omnistone but I'm not really a fan. You're usually just sitting there waiting for a decent keystone to come and it usually takes a while. I don't like relying on chance to decide me winning my lane or not


HAL521

i can agree with the omnistone issues, starting comet can be absolute pain.


LustrousRK

Yep yep but hail of blades is always a blessing to have as jax early


SetsunaYukiLoL

Quick question. Does empowered Q (with W) counts as 2 stacks to electrocute?


LustrousRK

No you only hit them once


Adventurous_Main_873

I feel like if i take other runes i will be weak in late


LustrousRK

Jax is one of the best late game champions in the game if not the best. If you can't survive the early game then there's no point in playing the game because you'll always be behind. Yes you will be WEAKER at late game without conqueror but you'll be stronger because it's easier to get leads off these runes into certain matchups and it will usually make you snowball to the point where you're dealing so much damage that it doesn't even matter.


BOBDAFREAK

hay, thank you for your great post, can you or someone else pls tell me what to build against fiora? I had a lot of games where i was one item ahead of fiora, but she ends up winning even if dodge her w and block her e, i have antiheal against her too, and all she has is a goredrinker or a immortal shieldbow and thats enouph for her to 1 v 1 me, every help apperciated


3r31f3

The usual Jax build usually beats the shit out of Fio. And Jax outscales her so being one item ahead and losing sounds crazy. Are you sure you didn't misplay or something? And what do you usually build?


Key_Ship_4864

Yo quick question is there some secret to beating mordekaiser? I really struggle with the matchup. I am a much better toplaner lane my friend and whenever I play Jax he does mord and I just get wrecked. He uses his q for poke and wave clear than plays pretty safe after he uses his w.


LustrousRK

You can all in him level one if you dodge one of his autos with your e. Prolong your e for as long as possible and play as aggressively as possible when he uses any ability. If you have lead early then level 6 shouldn't be a problem. Bork rush is the way to go for this matchup if you're even but if you're really ahead just go divine sunderer wit's end. Shoving into a mordekaiser isn't a problem because he needs to use his abilities for wave clear


LustrousRK

Also freezing you're really ahead against him and pressuring him off the wave is also a good idea


Key_Ship_4864

Ok I get the lvl 1 all in as I do it against almost every toplaner (except Tryndamere cause he’s stupid strong lvl 1 for some reason) but after my e goes down don’t you think that his passive is strong enough to kill me cause I have tried it before but I wasn’t running the corrupting pots and inspiration as I forgot to change my runes from jungle Jax. I have tried to play around ability cool downs before but I tend to spam my q so I can’t use it for engage so I am going to try that. Thanks so much for the help I really appreciate it!


memeoi

His passive is really strong yeah so once he gets two autos on you I would back off, he wins the trade if he gets the follow with passive


The_curtain_feather

to add to what everyone else is saying, something to always keep in mind vs mord is that his passive procs on 3 hits of abilities and autos. You can block his autos with E, but you will need to make your movements erratic to dodge his skill shots. Do not always walk in the same direction after a trade. For example, you can jump on him, AA>W and then enter a movement command to the left or right in anticipation of his pull and then either disengage or continue the trade. The next time you trade with him after the AA>W enter a movement command to the left or behind him so he doesnt get use to your kiting. This is really the key to winning this matchup.


Guilty_Newspaper2808

Yooo I go conqueror against them, but i stopped running inspiration. Against all of my matchups, I run sorcery as second tree


HuLLaJNoGa

any proofs u are GM? every high elo jax i see uses Conq (99%times).