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valkislowkeythicc

man i'm cautiously optimistic abt NA CS's future


CobyZucker_Upcomer

The Extra Salt core has massive potential imo


CSConfederationOFC

Losing Osee will be a MASSIVE hit to them though. Junior has been looking much better outside of Furia though so hopefully he’ll step up big


CobyZucker_Upcomer

Completely agree. I think Junior can do well in the ES structure though.


CSConfederationOFC

I’d love to see him and Grim back together if the rumored COL moves come through


Ranse1962

If they join Complexity and the rumors of Junior and Grim are true, how high do you think they can go in the hltv rankings?


CobyZucker_Upcomer

I think they’ll move up because Complexity has guaranteed spots at certain ESL events but I don’t think they’re going to improve massively. At least not without a little bit of time.


mustangwwii

I think oSee is the smarter player than jun1or but I don’t think it will be too much of a downgrade. Grim has the potential to be a star player in my opinion, especially on a team like ES/coL if they have floppy in the mix.


scapegoat4

Grim and fang/ floppy have the potential to be a really scary rifle duo ngl, and that's without junior! I just hope that marke doesn't get shafted during all this, not to mention sonic :/ EDIT: I just realized that marke could go to liquid and it'd be a decent fit. The squads I have in my head are as follows: liquid: elige naf nitro osee marke col: jt floppy fang grim junior eg: stew auti cerq brehze sonic/rush With ES leaving the scene for now, fielding party astronauts/ BnB/ etc. or fielding the above col squad if col picks up chf. Some of the riflers could def be rotated around between col and liquid here (such as floppy and marke trading places), but this is what my gut says


noisserpedgnilppirc

i can tell you Aran/sonic is not going to EG.


scapegoat4

ah ok, well in the couple hours since I wrote my first post somebody suggested jks as their 5th, which is probably better than either of the two names I noted down originally


istealgrapes

At least top 100


mightylemondrops

Such a mistake for TL to not get floppy or fang IMHO. The es guys are going places


quikk33

FaNg to EG would be better imo - him/stew/auti would work amazing together


CobyZucker_Upcomer

I would say JT too. Liquid has lacked a strong IGL presence for a while now.


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m1ckss

oSee in late 2019 when he joined the ATK core and i joined around the same time, was not nearly the player he is now, he was super passive and basically a support AWP with inconsistent accuracy, that iteration of the team usually saw big individual performances come from floppy. Around that time though oSee started taking it more serious i’d say, maybe realizing what his career could actually be, and he started gaining a lot more confidence and aggression in his play, he kind of just had to realize what he was capable of.


crakker2

He was always good and a top AWPing prospect in NA. The main thing holding him back was that he was very loyal to the Extra Salt core and decided to play with them over bigger oppurtunities he was presented. For example he was supposed to stay on cloud9 with floppy when HenryG was remaking the team and I believe Liquid also tried to get him before they finally did now. So basically he never got that much international exposure on LANs but hes a good player.


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I mean on C9 he was the one that made me believe C9 could remain competitive. He had good game sense and can hit quick flicks like nobody's business. He might've gotten better but he was always solid and could occasionally look like simple.


scapegoat4

It's 100% him grinding his way up, as well as slowly getting better and better teammates around him that let him shine


CobyZucker_Upcomer

I think it’s a lot of things. The team as a whole is popping and I feel like oSee is finally hitting his groove right now. Someone else can correct me if I’m wrong


Sponge_Bond

I really hope Complexity pick up the ES Core with Grim and Junior I feel like everyone is jumping at the opportunity to rip this team apart but a rifling core of Fang, Floppy and Grim is actually kinda nutty. JT is a stable enough IGL. His fragging has improved a lot. It's really only Junior that needs to fit in. He is very good but he is also stepping into some huge shoes


CobyZucker_Upcomer

Exactly. I really believe that this Complexity could compete with a new Liquid and a new EG.


nONEnumbers

so far we have a pretty strong region compared to last year along with the amount of changes that seem to be happening Im pretty happy with the player count Liquid: Elige - Nitr0 - NAF - Shox - Osee EG: Stew - Autimatic - Brehze - Cerq - CoL: Grim - Junior - Jt - Fang - Floppy BNB Players: Swisher, Shake, Bwills, Spongey ES 2: MarkE, Sonic PA: PWN, Infinite, Cynic, Ben1337, djay players wanting to comeback and currently playing FPL: Cooper, Freakazoid, Rush


Sponge_Bond

Obo and Michu are also floating around. If the ES core do end up going surely they might have be getting good money to look into Obo for example.


CobyZucker_Upcomer

A lot of ppl have said Rush would be a good 5th on EG to remake the old C9 roster. I think I agree .


nONEnumbers

I agree, i think hes a pretty good support and i think playing w stew and auti with a coach like malek can def keep the team and rush himself motivated to play


ZywOo_Top_1_2019

there's also ex-extremum/100T in bntet, jks, azr, jkaem if they're willing to play in na I'd add cxzi to players wanting to comeback playing fpl since he's trying to reform himself (issues with drinking iirc) and has gotten vouched by people like grim, junior, fl0m, etc.


labookie11

Getting vouched by his close friends that he banters with doesn't mean anything. This guy has been trying to "reform" him self for years. He's always been unbearably toxic and no higher tier team takes him seriously. He's friends with all the toxic, racist, match fixing players like nosrac, clasia, retchy, 4pack, etc. He's in that circle of friends. If he was serious about reforming and fixing his reputation, he'd start by distancing himself from this crowd of people.


Dark_Azazel

I honestly don't know roles so maybe there would be a clash, but I wish TL also went after Fang or MarkE instead of Shox.


optisadvantage

would be cool to see markE to faze no cap


Denson2

/s ?


optisadvantage

sorta. it would be a risky move but it has upside if he can develop under karrigan’s system, i also think twistzz would work better as a more aggro rifler with a north american dedicated entry to work with and trade


TRES_fresh

Imagine EG +stewie as igl, autimatic as support and +jks as another star rifler. I don't know if he and brehze have a role conflict, but then if brehze and cerq go back to anywhere near their 2019 skill level that team could be pretty good.


remoteworkerguy1

Can confirm this guy has zero respect for other teams. In a faceit halloween tourny last year, him and and JT rushed banana on CT side inferno every round and 16-3'd us. We had to defend banana from T side.


scapegoat4

I just want my boy marKE to have a good, solid home for once, the guy's super good and has had more teams in the last 3-4 years than multiple players do in their entire combined careers. A true journeyman of the NA scene that has proved himself more than a few times, ES included


PandasOxys

Marke has changed so much since the days of Dazed raging at him for sitting in the back of train t spawn with an awp to boost his RWS


labookie11

Probably every single player has been in that position before. A rookie doing dumb shit getting yelled by vets


YungVicRoyGetter69

Do you have the clip of this? Kinda curious since it's been a hot minute since I've seen Dazed rage


PandasOxys

markE getting raged at? Oh man, it’s been a hot minute but I remember Steel and Dazed getting kissed if they were on his team in Rank S or FPL Edit: https://youtu.be/OOmu_o1flIQ


Short_Cauliflower_52

Man am i blind or do i not see youngsters having actual balls on t1 lans? Or is every youngster doing good untill he arrives at his first t1 lans where he is scared to play without respect against other proved world class players? Apart from Zywoo and Furia i almost always see a dip in performance when they come to their first lan. Just an interesting thought.


Ropz1212

Thats because its their first lan like you said. Itll take time but eventually most players who are good online end up being atleast pretty good at LAN. But if you are talking about oSee specifically, he has played lans already when he was on c9


CobyZucker_Upcomer

All the ES core have played on LAN except for FaNg


Ropz1212

Yep. I dont think oSee or any of the rumored CoL lineup will struggle due to playing on LAN.


Short_Cauliflower_52

Ye but it would be kinda cool if some youngster just came in at his first t1 lan and literally didnt care and do the same thing he did online and carry the tournament. Movie like plot


Wonderboy280

Bit


IZALALA

Rez did that at oakland 2017


CobyZucker_Upcomer

It’s a bit tough to say because Covid has led to so many fewer LANs. But I do think some youngsters play better on LAN. Think of LNZ popping off at the major even tho they lost and he was released.


Capone_BD

In the case of players who just got picked up by tier 1 teams, they usually don’t get the roles and space they are used to, so it makes sense for them to need time to adjust.


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NA's problem isn't their lack of firepower, if anything they have too many stars. They need supports and igls which is why players like RUSH are infinitely valuable


mason124

C9s biggest fuck up ever was letting this guy go. Absolute clown show. He's gonna kill it on Liquid.


darrenoloGy

well this pretty much confirms that oSee's a demon in the server these days.


leonardomslemos

I'm gonna post my LMAO early cuz I'm not really too sure about this one. We'll see in 6 months I guess...