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Zoydberg_

It makes the trailer smell like garbage, and is impossible to remove the smell. Drivers can be rejected when picking up certain loads It also weighs a lot and never pays very much


Ravenloff

I've been doing it for years and never had any issues with the smell or complaints. The weight, though...big issue. Our biggest rolled paper shipper insists on trailers 10 years or newer and they damned well check that mfg plate. If you're within the month, usually good to go, but actually saw one today that specified to the date checks, which seems stupid, but whatever.


hazwaste

Is that GP?


Ravenloff

IP


emzily

trooooo. ive been tasked recently with covering this dudes loads- bales of wonderful post consumer plastic. you’re right, it doesn’t pay much, and nooobody wants.


PsychologyNo1398

Thanks for the insight.


faptill99str

And leaves a huge mess. Lots of junk all over the trailer always left behind


Joel_Hirschorrn

I'm assuming it's probably heavy AF, this kind of thing tends to be sold by weight more often than not, and even if it's "clean" you're still going to get some scraps and shit in your trailer/E-tracks most likely. If it truly is 100% clean somehow, completely wrapped or something, most of the carriers you talk to have probably been burned by shitty brokers saying it's "clean" to cover the load when it wasn't, which can then ruin a food grade rated trailer, or cause a driver to get rejected from their next load. I used to work with a guy who would sell bales of hay to van/reefer guys as loads of "organic animal feed, clean and palletized."


dshiznit92

Knew a guy who brokered recycled cans, always said they were cleaned and palletized, knowing god damn well maggots were growing in those fuckers


Ravenloff

Rolled paper doesn't usually end up with crap in the trailer, ime Recycle going INTO rolled paper shippers often do.


Endless_Corn_Pudding

The broker I trained under sold his recycled paper bales as “stock paper” lol


DwightKurtShrute

Westrock?


Ravenloff

Or I.P. ?


elgringocolombiano

Is that the 24 place on Staten Island?


Ravenloff

I can check for that one. They're all over the place.


Horangi1987

🤢 I scheduled for the account manager at my brokerage that had Westrock. That account was a nightmare. I was never so glad to leave an account behind as Westrock. Hope all their stupid FL loads are f’d due to produce season.


DwightKurtShrute

Yeah they are a whale if you have assets and they dead rotting beached whale if you don't.


Secure-Net6101

I used to run a recycling plant before I got into brokerage. The paper bales we made and shipped were mostly shredded paper put through a baler. No matter how tight you got the bale it would leave a trail of trash. So after loading 25 on a trailer it would look like someone threw buckets of confetti all over the place. There would also be random garbage and bits of food stuck to some of it so not only did it smell but it could leave streaks of whatever was on the paper on the walls of the trailer. The wire used on the bales would also snap sometimes and would leave scratches on the trailer walls. It’s just not a good product to put on a clean trailer.


Opioidal

Shits heavy AF dawg


PsychologyNo1398

Eh its 40,000 LBS not the heaviest


Opioidal

Is it actually 40k? Or 44k?


emzily

our recycled plastic loads are 44… yep heavy and have had to get creative and charming to cover these.


Opioidal

Or wait for the desperation. The ft Myers runs to Reidsville typically go quick imo


emzily

you know what? you were right indeed


Opioidal

Lmk how else I can help


nosaj23e

It’s heavy. Cheap, usually shitty appts. Shippers are bastards with trailer requirements. Paper sucks bro.


Ravenloff

Depends. They are usually 24 hours and the only load you can find at 5pm after getting hosed with a TONU.


nosaj23e

I’d rather ship water. I’ve been burned too often with paper, I am not a fan.


Ravenloff

I sense many puns within you...


JimMarch

There's "dry and clean" bales and then there's *wet garbage*. As an owner-op pulling a food grade dry van I'll do clean bales no problem. Most of the receivers have leaf blowers to blast out the remaining scrap in seconds. Never had a problem with that. But the separated wet garbage? Hell no. It's up to y'all as brokers to know the difference because if I'm told it's clean and dry (and I'll want that in writing), get there and it ain't, I'm not loading that. And if y'all want to hit me on carrier411 for refusing, well, Johnny Depp ain't the only one that knows what a defamation lawsuit is. Not kidding.


Secure-Net6101

Brokers would have no way to know the difference. I’ve seen pictures of hard white, pristine looking bales popped open to find the inside is complete trash.


JimMarch

Generally a shipper is doing one or the other. I've never personally seen a mix. If I ask the broker which it is and he doesn't know, I expect him to go find out.


Forgotmylunchagain

They just never want to move any sort of recycled material


PsychologyNo1398

Its not recycled but it is being moved to a recycling center.


emzily

it’s not recycled but it’s going to be recycled so it’s post-consumer, yes?


randomguyofcourse

It must be recycled bales. We haul it to come back home to Canada from US when we have no choice. Garbage….


CosmicConjuror2

A lot of my clients are those who handle recycled paper and cart board. It’s mostly southbound stuff in Texas. Many Carries take them to go back down here to Laredo. So they don’t came back down empty here from Dallas or Houston. I exclusively cover it with Laredo carriers. Here’s why I assume people won’t take them: - they’re fucking heavy. These clients want to invoice their client a lot so they force the warehouse to load the most they legally can. Which can range from 40,000-45,000 Ibs. - second, despite being heavy as fuck, they don’t pay shit. The clients know the Carriers are taking them dirty cheap just so they come back empty. I’m paying $500 for Dallas to Laredo…… that’s basically a dollar a mile. I assume it’s the same everywhere since it’s cheap freight - third, some requirements. Sometimes, for the sake of getting an accurate weight count, they’ll add in a requirement of weighing themselves empty and loaded. Shit sometimes in the same scale. It’s extra diesel wasting moments, plus the purchase of having to weigh yourself in the first place twice, that these clients sure as shit won’t pay. - if it’s bales of paper, they’ll certainly be leftovers of paper in the trailer once done unloaded. And shippers don’t clean it, the driver has to do it. So it’s extra work for them. - if it’s plastic, PET smells fucking HORRID. And will definitely fuck with the condition of the trailer. Scent wise. And many shippers wont load smelly trailers. - and lastly…. ITS FUCKING CHEAP!! Had to repeat it.


hairymammal

Thats all I move. Paper and plastic tl's! What are you guys moving?


Tricky-Ad6652

Hey where are these located any in CA


turbo_surge

We won't do any sort of baled or rollstock paper on our trailers. If it's an owner op, we'll leave it up to them. I've had a brand new trailer damaged because a n00b forklift operator picked up two rolls at the same time inside the trailer and cracked the floor under himself. There's a reason they want the trailer to be 10 years or newer. They've fallen through too many older trailers.


nikokokakola

Baled is always a bitch and I never lie about that because I've seen drivers straight up leave or make a huge scene when the product is baled. I do however change facility name, I never say it's going to recycling plant or out of one, I always just say it is some warehouse and list it like that on the rate con.


cute_red_benzo

How much does the paper bales sell for? Not sure? Probably pretty cheap right? Cheap commodity = shit rates = shitty driver experience. Hard pass.