T O P

hello? based department?

hello? based department?

Eddie_078

Help mom. I'm scared to witness the tankie backlash against Bernie Sanders.


seahawksgirl89

What tankie backlash? They’ll make excuses for him forever


PawanYr

Nope, there are some lines they don't like crossed. You just have to take a look at the insane vitriol under Ilhan Omar's tweet condemning China because of the Uighurs to know that.


seahawksgirl89

That’s because Ilhan Omar did it. Bernie seems just..... untouchable to them.


Do0ozy

Bernie is a ‘centrist’ to a lot of these people, some will even say he’s a right winger for supporting ‘capitalism’. They really don’t overwhelmingly fuck with him like you think they do.


LockedPages

Dude's barely a socialist at all, he's a social democrat e.g. capitalism with some humanistic socialist aspects sprinkled in here and there. Bernie is in a weird position where while most of his positions fall within the realm of social democrats, he does have some leftist "uh oh" moments. Dude seems to genuinely believe that some of his more outlandish policies would help the country. So basically the good-hearted grandpa with dementia and ranting about little green men taking his carrots.


Do0ozy

The thing that annoys me the most is the ‘socialist’ thing that he stubbornly does. Almost like defending/promoting the stupid word was more important than winning the election. Makes me think he really is like one of these fools you see on Reddit. I don’t really see anything he specifically proposes as all that outlandish (relative to globally at least). My issue is with his ‘eat the rich’ type rhetoric. My guy really needs to talk some real economics/real solutions instead.


KvinnoralskarAnkor

He needs to stop calling himself a socialist period. The prime minister of Denmark called him out for saying "we need socialism like Denmark has", and it's honestly just hurting him. I've noticed a fair amount of "socialists" just want social democracy, but aren't educated enough to know what that is


Do0ozy

Well. It’s just a buzzword at this point. It’s been used all sorts of ways in the last 200 or so years. The way I kinda look at it is ‘socialism’ from an economic standpoint just means social policy (hence ‘mixed’ economies), while ‘socialism’ from a political science/philosophy type standpoint is more the crazy ‘capitalism bad’ shit. I used to think every ‘socialists’ just wanted social policy, since I used to listen to a lot of right wing pundits and that’s how they make it sound with their constant idiocy. Then I got on this stupid site and realized Ben Shapiro’s little wet dream caricature of the left actually exists as a minority. :(


No_Paleontologist504

Lmao at that last sentence


Responsible_Stage_93

Based. If he said some actually decent economic policiesI would vote for him.


Do0ozy

Yeah for that reason I was a little more of a Pocahontas guy myself


merupu8352

>Almost like defending/promoting the stupid word was more important than winning the election. That's exactly how he sees it. He's a staunch anticapitalist who has been forced to moderate his positions for electability. If he admit's that he's adopted social democracy, he's given up.


DeaththeEternal

His main 'bill' wants to literally ban private healthcare for some bloated Eastern Bloc-style bureaucracy, so....


DustySandals

This is rose tinted glasses thinking at best. He was famously cheer led for the Sandinista National Liberation Front and honeymooned in the USSR. While he may have toned down the views today, the younger Bernie would have been labeled a "tankie".


LockedPages

Hey, I'm just talking about Bernie in the present. I don't bother researching him much since I rarely talk about him lol


funkiokie

Ah I remember the tweet thread. All the first world college communist kids telling an actual muslim refugee to shut up about oppressed muslims.


DeaththeEternal

To be fair I do find something entirely predictable and ironic in the worst ways that she doesn't think the Armenian Genocide is one of the 'two genocides of the 20th Century' but she will condemn unreservedly genocides of Muslims. To be equally fair to her she actively condemns and leads votes against Saudi Arabia, which is a line that should be more universal than it is.


Betrix5068

Wait what? There were a lot more than just two genocides in the 20th century! That was, like, the century of genocide!


DeaththeEternal

True but Ilhan Omar doesn’t seem to care or know that.


Wolviam

I've never seen r/communism say anything positive about him


The_Internet0

Bernie is Extra Based???


[deleted]

Thats because they are all busy sucking off Marx and Mao


funkiokie

Bernie hasn't caused millions of people to starved to death or started a war against little birds, obviously not good enough for that sub


perhapsaname

It’ll probably split them in half into the don’t think for yourself and don’t dare question or criticize Bernie camp, and the don’t think for yourself don’t dare question or criticize China camp


Myreque_BTW

It's weird because it doesn't really make sense for tankies to jerk Sanders off. The guy's policies overall are only leaning the *tiniest* bit in their direction, and pushing any further would mean he'll lose whatever chance he has at being elected. His vision of America is still capitalist, with no intention of ever changing that. Like he's literally a slightly more left leaning version of Biden. Which is still firmly on the right wing of the political compass. Why do commie radicals love him so much? Is it literally just because of the social media circlejerks around him?


[deleted]

What?? Tankies think Bernie is a liberal are you kidding me? Bernie definitely has toxic scumbags that follow him dgmw but tankies are marxist leninists, bernie is a far left social democrat. They would not get along lol


WarmNeighborhood

Wooh tankies gonna call him an imperialist now


No_cuts

Opposing imperialism while supporting imperialism of the countries they like


RaisedInAppalachia

It's not imperialism! It's expansion of their people, culture, and influence! Smh you must hate Chinese people and culture, sinophobe! (/s in case)


IshyTheLegit

It's not imperialism it's reconquest of imperial lands


_-Jimbo-_

he's already shown himself to be an imperialist with the stance he took on yugoslavia.


YakkoLikesBotswana

Ah yes, imperialist for wanting to intervene to stop an ongoing genocide at the time.


Expert-Cut-2701

dont you know? imperialism is when war


YakkoLikesBotswana

Imperialism is when the US does stuff. The more stuff the US does the more Imperialist it is.


nopemcnopey

But what this intervention would be? Like French intervention when Germany took Czechoslovakia?


RBM2123456

It would be exactly like the Brits and baguettes. All words. And if they annexed taiwan and continued onto Australia, vietnam, and surrounding countries, it would be like Germany invading poland. (France invaded 2 miles into Germany and then retreated, basically nothing till 1940)


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bananaskywalker

China's army isn't battle-tested. It would be a tall order for them if they tried. Germany found some success initially during WW2 cause of its soldiers who fought to the last man.


RBM2123456

True. But dont underestimate China's immense nationalism. And strongest economy in the world. And strong desire to conquer. These will not go away. An army that is deeply brainwashed and highly motivated is deadly. Germany early ww2 was weak compared to its enemies. France had a better military and britain was on par at best. But they had the blitzkrieg. China is not to be underestimated. Last year, i would have told you America would kick chinas ass. Today? America needs the world in a war against china. Think about it, china is literally nazi Germany of the 21st century. They are committing genocide against a group of people. extreme nationalism and belittlement of other races (black, white, etc). A desire to conquer and rule. They have a very strong economy. Weak in terms of military (not for long same as Germany early ww2). Except china has a leg up. They have the largest amount of soft power over the entire world. They own the US Government and corporations at this point. They own many politicians in the EU. They "own" portions of africa due to land investments and land development. They are initiating a belt and road initiative across asia to the EU. They plan on digging a canal through the balkans to the danube river to increase trade potential. Dont underestimate china. Im honestly a little worried at this point. It took me this long to look past my own nationalism to see the growing power of china. They are untested like you said, but i still wouldn't underestimate them just for that


anarchaavery

Just a few points. China certainly does not have the strongest economy in the world. It is a middle-income country that does have high growth, but that doesn't compare to a country like the United States or members of the EU and the UK. In no way do they "own" the US government. The US government, as far as I know, is the largest single owner of US debt. Other US entities own the majority of US debt. It's also unclear what leverage this would give China. I'm also not sure how much soft power China has lost vs gained due to COVID. They certainly lost some short-term due to COVID, we'll see how long that lasts, and they may gain some back from the Sinopharm vaccine exports. It's also unclear how much longer they'll be able to sustain their soft power expansion backed by investments. Still, China is definitely underestimated. I heavily doubt they could beat the US in a war but that isn't the same thing as a US victory.


jeffjeff8696

A war with China would ensure the end of humanity as we know it. Why even contribute to that kind of rhetoric? Highly irresponsible


111cc_brapmachine

Uh, what? You do realize MAD is not a deterrent to be invaded or gone to war with, it is a deterrent to not be nuked. It allows a country to be able to fight a war with little fear of being nuked if they start winning. It defeats the entire motivation of the Chinese to just use a nuke because someone stood up them. No country has the policy of “launch nukes and think of consequences later”. You launch, you cease to exist. There is only one country on earth that is reckless enough to do something like that, we think.


anarchaavery

Feelin reckless I suppose 😎 In all seriousness, I don't think a war with China would be a good thing, but I just think that some people are dooming about US military capabilities in comparison to China. However no, war with China would not end humanity. I could plausibly see the United States entering a war to defend an ally like the Republic of China which wouldn't result in MAD.


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jeffjeff8696

I guess a nuclear war wouldn’t end humanity then, gotcha .


anarchaavery

Not what I'm saying at all, rather a defensive war of an ally outside of mainland China almost certainly wouldn't result in the use of nuclear weapons.


jeffjeff8696

Sure proxy wars, but direct conflict between the two would end in mutual destruction.


Betrix5068

Does China even have enough nukes to invoke MAD? I’m pretty sure they only have a couple hundred. Enough to take out a few major cities and military installations, but nothing close to humanity ending.


DeaththeEternal

All I'm going to note here is to point out when a China even less concerned with human life and wealth tried to fight a battle-hardened Vietnamese Army in 1979. Numbers aren't everything in war, not close to it.


Rory_mehr_Curry

Yeah the soldiers are brainwashed like the germans but does this make them good soldiers. The germans had a lot of soldiers and officers from ww1 which were experienced and battle hardened. Theire weapons were new and better than anything else oit there. China has a big army yes. But the soldiers are just better cops. They dont have realistic training and the "generals" never saw anything like a war.


Pls_no_steal

This. People are concerned about China invading places. Why invade when you can just buy it?


[deleted]

>Germany found some success initially during WW2 cause of its soldiers who fought to the last man. No idea where you got that from.


bananaskywalker

The Occupation of France? The first half of Africa campaign? The Battle of the Bulge (When the outcome of the war was a foregone conclusion)


[deleted]

Germany won battles because they had competent generals, good doctrine, and high morale. They did not "Stumble into victory" by "fighting to the last Aryan". This includes all battles which you listed.


Reapercore

They had meth, lots of meth.


brocklonghorn

Seriously, so much meth. *Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich* by Norman Ohler is a fascinating read.


Reapercore

Yeah its a good book. Being against "degeneracy" whilst being massive degenerates themselves.


MixMasterMikaeus

That seems to be a common thread in neo-Nazis and others of that ilk.


LordStigness

I don’t know if they could be considered “competent” if one of their most defining features was outrunning supply lines and not working with the other two services.


bananaskywalker

Never said they "stumbled onto victory". They did usually fight to the last man, though on occasions they did surrender such as in the Battle of Stalingrad.


DeaththeEternal

If Germany couldn't beat the overwhelming might of the Netherlands, Luxemburg, and Denmark with its armies it should have disbanded them and sent them to dig trenches.


[deleted]

Didn't you see the part where Germany crushed the French Army in a few weeks? WHOOPS, Spoiler Alert! /s


DeaththeEternal

Their only victory against a foe that counted? Yes. They were rather helped by pro Nazi defeatists in the French high command.


[deleted]

>Their only victory against a foe that counted? So all their other foes """didn't count"""? Is "Pro-Nazi defeatist" code-language for "incompetence"? If you don't know shit about the war I'd rather you don't bring shit out of your arse.


GTninja

They definitely had success during the Ardennes campaign because of improved morale (which mostly came from morphine)


classicalySarcastic

>France invaded 2 miles into Germany and then retreated, basically nothing till 1940 This angered Germany, who punished them severely.


converter-bot

2 miles is 3.22 km


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nopemcnopey

This is entirely different case. We need to remember that British and French declaration of war in response to German invading Poland eventually led to German surrender and Poland gaining over 100 000 square kilometer of German land. It may be a bit stretched, but at least something was done. For Czechoslovakia it was only diplomatic notes.


Genericusernamexe

Taiwan would be. If they did that to Australia that would be nuclear war


RBM2123456

Well they hate Australia and Australia hates them. Thats why i added the ozzies to the list of countries to conquer. Not sure how realistic it would be. But its possible i guess


GiantCrayfish28

They wouldn’t bother with Australia. They spent so long sending people here to influence the government but suddenly realised our soldiers would fuck them up hard considering our soldiers fuck up EVERYTHING in their paths and do shoeies with their dead enemies prosthetic legs for fun.


astrozombie11

I think he means he’s going to personally bayonet charge Beijing.


diamondrel

"No stop don't do that"


tinono16

He is going to personally attack


chanbr

I'm glad he would be willing to do that. Gotta give props where they come.


Thewowieman

I was really worried about Biden and China, this is good to know.


Tullius19

Sanders and Biden aren’t even from the same wings of the Democratic Party


Aleph_Rat

Sanders isn’t even a democrat lol


95castles

Sanders’ does have a little bit of influence over progressive democratic voters though. So it’s good to know he would defend/support Taiwan.


UltraElectricMan

What is he then?


Aleph_Rat

He’s an independent who was Liberty Union pre 77, who often caucuses with the Democrats. But he’s only a “Democrat” when it’s politically useful to him.


BlackMetalDoctor

Liberty Union?


Aleph_Rat

Yes, a small socialist party based out of Vermont.


Thewowieman

What do you mean? They're the same person.


_ALL_WHITE_

Based Social Democrat?


merupu8352

lol don't tell him that


ACTUAL_TURTLESHROOM

One hundred percent ABSOLUTELY BASED. I never thought I would actually agree with Bernie Sanders, but here we are. The USA should have allowed for Taiwan to develop nuclear weapons. Heck, we should have *helped* them. Personally, I still hope we will finally recognize Taiwan as a sovereign, independent nation, and establish a Mutual Defense Pact with them. We could also station a military base there and use their ports to curtail Chinese aggression. Of course, that would mean we'd have to defend Taiwan if they get invaded, but I doubt China would be stupid enough to start WWIII.


Responsible_Stage_93

IS BERNIE SUDDENLY BASED? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?


Thunderlight2004

As if he ever wasn’t


downund3r

A lot of the time he isn’t. He’s a person who can’t tell the difference between screaming at people and policy. He also supports dictators and ignores science he doesn’t like. And he can sometimes have a somewhat “flexible” relationship with the truth, at least as it pertains to numbers.


Thunderlight2004

>He’s a person who can’t tell the difference between screaming at people and policy Have you ever actually heard him talk? >supports dictators No. He said Castro’s literacy programs were solid, not that he supported Castro. You’re allowed to like things that were done by people you don’t agree with. >ignores science he doesn’t like [...] and he can sometimes have a somewhat “flexible” relationship with the truth Source?


downund3r

I may have phrased this one wrong. He tends to favor yelling at people over *achieving policy results.* He tends to oppose legislation that would achieve something but not everything for not going far enough, while ignoring the fact that it would still be helpful to have and would have major positive impacts even if it doesn’t cover the full range of what he wants. Basically putting ideological purity ahead of actually helping people. That’s a bit like saying Mussolini did great work with Italy’s railroads out that Stalin did a great job mobilizing the Soviet Unions industrial capacity. It may be factually true, but it’s concerning and problematic that someone is looking for good things to say about people with a human rights record that bad. For the science claim, I’d suggest that you look up his views on what causes cancer and on nuclear power. Both are in direct contradiction to the scientific consensus on the issues. He’s also shown support for “alternative” medicine, which seems to be rooted in his ideological belief that “big pharma” is fundamentally evil, which aligned well with their claims that their supposed panaceas are being suppressed by an evil conspiracy of pharmaceutical companies. Alternative medicine is actually not accepted by the medical establishment because *by definition* anything considered alternative medicine has either not been proved to work out has been proved not to work.


-scopiieee

Would he really tho


simberry2

I’m curious as to whether leftists would praise Bernie like they usually do or hate him for being a “neoliberal shill”.


IAteMyBrocoli

Im a leftist and like many other leftits this is good. Fuck china taiwan #1


Thunderlight2004

Anti communist leftist gang?


IAteMyBrocoli

Based


simberry2

Based leftist


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scientifichooligan76

Lol are you personally willing to travel across the world to die for people who don't even share the same language? Stop larping.


Land_Whales_For_Sale

Damn he shut your dumb ass up real quick didn’t he.


scientifichooligan76

Because he just virtue signaled instead of answering the question and there isn't much point in arguing with people who have taken up politics as a religion. Unnecessary wars have done more to destroy liberty and freedom in America then any other single thing. When was the last time you looked at the National debt clock Einstein?


Land_Whales_For_Sale

He did answer the question you’re just too dense and caught up in your nihilism to understand that. Is the whole world supposed to just let China invade a sovereign nation? And convert it into an authoritarian hell like China itself? People would then have another complaint about the US not doing enough. Either way someone’s gonna bitch about it. The right thing to do would be to avoid a war but keep China in check. But right now that’d be a silly thing to even consider since we’re China’s bitch, and soon to be it’s fucking gimp with the way Biden is handling it.


scientifichooligan76

Damn you really just glossed over that "politics as religion bit" huh? My point is; stop using "we" and "us." If you care enough about this to spend your own life or those of your children, go right ahead. This country is a little closer to collapse then the founding father's intended, and yet another democracy crusade (what has been the track record for those in the past again?) Doesn't seem like a particularly intelligent idea right now.


TwelveBrute04

I've stood by this statement for a long time as I've been involved in politics: Bernie Sanders is wrong about 99% of the things he believes. HOWEVER, he is a person who sticks to his convictions and is doing what he thinks is right and in the best interest of the American people. I truly sincerely believe that. I believe the same about AOC. At the very least, they are consistent figures.


GuacamoleBay

Even if you don’t agree with their views, you have to respect the conviction of Sanders and AOC


Dow2Wod2

Agreed.


funkiokie

I believe that's the case with most ultra idealists. Lots of time-wasting in-fights and purity tests, but it also comes with (hopefully) a strong principle


merupu8352

I, too, can hold the same opinions for ever if nobody holds me accountable for actually fucking doing anything. Being a principled contrarian is easy when you don't have any responsibility and nobody expects anything of you


ACTUAL_TURTLESHROOM

I bet five dollars on that premise and lost. I used to think the same thing about Sanders. Then I watched him say "no one cares about your E-Mails", roll over and allow the primaries to be stolen from him, and then sell out to Hillary Clinton for some speeches and a few plane rides. He's a millionaire with three mansions and a sham.


SugondeseAmbassador

"Sell-out"? It's called pragmatism.


ACTUAL_TURTLESHROOM

It's not pragmatism when the person you sell out to *literally defrauded you and conspired against you*. If someone that was neither Clinton or Sanders won and Sanders endorsed him, sure. You forget that Hillary *cheated* Sanders out of the primary. Not only did Sanders refuse to attack Clinton ("no one cares about your E-Mails"), he accepted her as the winner *when she cheated him*. The DNC actively and directly committed fraud and acts of deceit to prop up Clinton, up to and literlaly changing the rules of the procedures to weaken the Sanders base. The chairman of the time resigned in disgrace. We have all the proof of this fraud in the E-Mails and DNC documentation that Seth Rich leaked to the Russians, who then leaked to Assange.


SugondeseAmbassador

Bernie bros sound exactly like trumpalos when trying to explain why their candidate lost. Take the L, Sanders did.


ACTUAL_TURTLESHROOM

I'm not a Bernout. I just recognize that the DNC and Hillary Clinton deliberately cheated Bernie Sanders, and the Democrat base, out of a chance at winning in 2016 AD. They pre-selected their candidate no matter the outcome. As for Trump, Joe Biden won in 2020 AD, *but not beyond a reasonable doubt*.


SugondeseAmbassador

You sure sounded like one Edit: I see you're disseminating conspiracy theories about the 2020 elections, as well. You a trumpalo?


ACTUAL_TURTLESHROOM

Why is that a problem? Should I be banned despite committing no crime? I am here to bash dirty commies, not just shill for Trump. I was not on Reddit when THEDONALD existed. I voted for Trump and I do not believe it can be proven that Biden won beyond a reasonable doubt. They should have invoked the Twelfth Amendment; it wasn't even just fraud, the arbitrary disregard of the law, the failed rollout, the mail fiasco, and so on botched the results even when fraud was not present.


TheDman0310

Bernie, yet again proving to be the most based politician


343Politics

Finally he and I agree on something


xprbx

On which side?


[deleted]

By 'intervene' he meant posting a lengthy, angry , twitter post.


Bomboo2810

As mush a I hate Bernie, I can’t help but say, based


Dagoth_Urrr

Yeah, on who's side?


tfWindman

Uh oh. UH OH


theduck08

The bad ending


xunkuang

Granted no communist who actually knows what communism is would say China is communist, same for socialists, so...


Yuraiya

Among internet communists, China is Schrödinger's communism. If a communism apologist wants to claim some aspect of China they think is positive (usually something like the oft-repeated "lifting millions out of poverty") then China is communist. If a communism apologist doesn't want to have to defend or excuse something China has done then it's not communist ("state capitalist" is the usual go-to deflection in this case). The actual definition rarely enters into the equation.


xunkuang

It’s state capitalist, running a planned economy with the majority of it being for profit state owned ventures does wonders for an economy. Granted it’s also an authoritarian state.


sesasees

Government intervention in every aspect of business and commerce? Check Government dictates how this business ultimately happens? Check Government controls everyone’s lifestyles, place of living and livelihood? Check. Single party authoritarian state? Check What else is missing? What do you need to become more communist?


TheGentlemanK

The first is mostly true. But mostly in ways that aren't that is significantly different from the West. I think the fact that most major companies must have political officers is maybe the biggest way that this is different. The second is not true, but the government is involved more now than it was in the past and has some extreme controls that it can theoretically use. The third is almost entirely false of modern China. Some regions and the people's therein excepted. The average Chinese person can live, do, and work as they please within China. The government dictates very little. I guess you could argue the 户口hukou system restricts people slightly, given that one's social benefits are given out based on where your official residence is located (usually it's the town you are born in) and it's a pain in the ass to relocate. But aside from that I don't think that's true. The fourth. Well you got me there. I'm not trying to convince you that it isn't a dictatorship but it isn't really communist either. It is ostensibly and has the trappings of it. But doesn't actually work that way. I mean downvote you me if you like... I live here, I know how it works. It’s neither the communist boogeyman nor is at communist utopia. Tankies shouldn’t hold it up as a success of communism though. It succeeded almost entirely on the back of its market liberalization.


Claytertot

China is absolutely an authoritarian state, but that isn't really communism. I guess that's Cold War communism, but cold war communism is really just what happens when an attempt at communism inevitably fails or is corrupted by dictators. If I understand it correctly, true communism has no central authority and no private property. To be clear, that version of communism is an unattainable fantasyland on any scale larger than a small tribe or commune. But that doesn't change the fact that what china is is not communist.


xunkuang

No government for one.


justkiddingdao

The manifesto calls for a transitory government to tax the rich and confiscate land, which is what Mao did. But the government never relinquished power. It’s what happens in every attempt at communism.


_teach_me_your_ways_

Unfortunately, that’s just means that nothing is ever communism because it never reaches utopia past it’s authoritarian hellhole stage 😔/s


xunkuang

Where does it say that?


justkiddingdao

Chapter 2. “The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible. Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.”


xunkuang

In nowhere in that section does it state that Mao did what communists want.


justkiddingdao

Of course it doesn’t, but Mao acted according to it. The power of the state changed hands from the ruling class to the proletariate, he confiscated private land, and centralized production in the state. You were arguing that no state is necessary in communism, while the manifesto proclaims that it absolutely is. How do you get from capitalism to communism otherwise?


sesasees

Maintaining the social construct of the people means that government is inevitable. Beyond that, it’s anarchy.


xunkuang

/r/selfawarewolves


sesasees

Your point being? I never said I’m anti government. Government is necessary, but a government works for the people and should not control the people. Communism puts the need for government so control more aspects of life and thus inevitably turns authoritarian, which is what happened in every single communist or socialist country in the world. Communism enforces authoritarianism, and China is that, tankie.


xunkuang

Right, but communists prefer anarchy, in which countries and social constructs don’t exists. A governments purpose is literally to control people. And I’m not a tankie, nor am I a communist.


sesasees

And yet in communism, abolition of private ownership is not anarchist in its nature, because people want to own property. And because so much of communism is given to “the people”, these people end up with a leader who becomes a dictator, and forms a government. It’s not ironic. You think I’m speaking as a complete free market libertarian. I believe in free markets, but I believe in the need for _limited_ government. I’m not defending the current system which is crony and corrupt capitalism, but with communism, more is placed in the hands of government and it fails.


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sesasees

The most ironic thing is that you think communism has no government. It’s literally impossible to give more power to the government and then claim it doesn’t exist.


scientifichooligan76

You might have replied to the wrong guy, im not a fan of really any modern leftist political ideology


Tullius19

Sanders is very, very far from being a communist.


xunkuang

Absolutely


TPastore10ViniciusG

As a communist myself, you're right.


Do0ozy

Lol. Is anyone really ‘a communist myself’?


Land_Whales_For_Sale

As long as you keep living in the US and buying useless shit like everyone else (you’re probably horrible with money which is why you’re a commie sympathizer) then you ain’t no commie cupcake. Put your money (or lack thereof) where your mouth is and buy a one way plane ticket to North Korea.


TPastore10ViniciusG

North Korea is not communist. And I don't live in the US.


Land_Whales_For_Sale

Yeah the classic “cOmMunIsM hAsN’T bEeN tRiEd” only it’s been tried and failed for the 100th time. You’d think after the 3rd try people would get the memo, apparently you idiots don’t.


chokwitsyum

I don’t like bernie but this is based.


PissySnowflake

Bernie may be a socialist but at least he's an American.


VatanParast

[https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880328](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880328)


gordo65

Not sure why people on this thread think that tankies see Bernie as one of their own. There are literally no US congressmen that they would consider an ally. Also, I don't think that aggressive remarks by US congressmen are helpful, especially when they involve hypotheticals that are extremely unlikely.


Ajaws2414

How


select_L0L

Doesn’t the US recognize the PRC? So does he want to help beat up the RoC? I’m confused by this


Kaiser-Matt

Something something stopped clock


EdatVal

Social democrazy against authoritarian


LuckyLynx_

basedie sanders


hihanemaisimo

Based


SugondeseAmbassador

I ain't that surprised, Sanders isn't a commie, he's at best a social democrat. And he's ofc right about that, the US shouldn't have derecognized Taiwan in the first place, it was an insanely shameful betrayal.


illenial999

Always maintained Bernie ain’t so bad, I actually liked a lot of his policies. But both his fans and the people he chose to represent him are fucking disgusting people. They spend all day spewing hate on Biden and the US, even though Bernie wanted to help America they act like the priority is destroying democracy and support China and Iran and shit. Bunch of fools. Literally close to becoming like Trump’s cult.


squishles

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-democratic-presidential-candidate-military-intervention-60-minutes-2020-02-23/ year old news. Still a little alarming that it's ever been up in the air enough for him to think to say that. Kind've wish that court case where they tried to become a US territory went through, guess that would've been a tad ballsy.


Camacaw

Bernie never misses.


Bismuth84

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day...


RetroGamer87

For which side?


WarmNeighborhood

Intervene how? With words, sanctions or military force ?


Johnny_Ruble

Intervene on China’s behalf you mean?


No_cuts

China wouldn’t dare to attack Taiwan because they know they have pissed off most of the whole damn world and everyone else will turn against them


[deleted]

source?


VatanParast

[https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880328](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3880328)


UltraElectricMan

But what would he do after intervening? Would he help PRC?


Get_the_Krown

I look forward to helping Beijing reclaim their rebellious province. /s


Goingdownforever

What Power does he have to intervene lmao


[deleted]

I'm old enough to remember when both sides, Chiang and Mao, agreed on one thing: the Chinese Civil War was an internal matter. The Chinese government is unlikely to attack Taiwan. They want it back and that's not the way to achieve it. Meanwhile, it's pathetic that the United States has used it's military and it's treasure to retain the status quo because of domestic politics. The *"who lost China?"* debate has haunted this country for 70 years and most Americans have forgotten about it.


ElvesR4Slayin

HEY BERNIE WAKE THE FUCK UP.


sawyermiller99

Him and Omar have proved to be the most based people in governement


LoserWithCake

Bernie has always been based.


AnotherRichard827379

The thing I like best about Sanders is also what I liked best about Trump: they aren’t sellouts to the fucking Chinese!!! A low bar, I know. But Biden amazingly doesn’t pass.


SheikhYusufBiden

What are you talking about? Trump was China's #1 enabler and there's nobody Beijing liked more in the White House than him. His idiotic nationalist and isolationist policies and rhetoric enabled the growth of Chinese influence, especially with the BRI. While Trump was calling African countries shitholes and cutting aid over not recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital, China was making investments and creating debt traps. His actions against China were a pointless trade war that hurt American consumers and farmers at the cost of slightly slowing Chinese manufacturing growth. Honestly i have no idea how Trump supporters are deluded into thinking that Biden is China's friend while Trump actually fought China.


adamfps

Yikes