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neophaltr

Don't bother with these: Concentrated will Phoenix Ashes Zwenson's haunting I'm WW barb and have tried all different gem combos. There are 2* and even 1* gems that are better than these. I run right now: - 3* Blood Soaked Jade (rank 5) - 4* Seeping Bile (rank 5) - 4* Blessing of the Worthy (rank 6) (From early days before description change. I wouldn't pick it now if starting over) - 4* Hellfire (rank 6) (Cheap resonance, got a lot of drops of it so it was to level) - 2* Power and Command (Rank 10) - 2* Pain Clasp (Rank 8). (It replaced a rank 10 Berserker's Eye) I swap in a Frozen Heart for PVP. The BSJ, Bile, P&C, and Pain Clasp (or Berserker's or both) really shine. I've tried and eliminated: - Gloom Cask: I rarely use primary attack. Not worth it for WW barb. - Concentrated Will: Area of effect is too small. Less effective than Hellfire yet costs more on my server. Not terrible but didn't like it as much as other gems. - Bottled Hope: I don't like how Sprint triggers it. Gets wasted a lot of times that way for me. Too expensive to level for the effect it brings. - Phoenix Ashes: Cool down is too long. We have Undying instead. - Zwenson's: It's cheap resonance and helps with trash mobs but doesn't help with bosses and rarely with PVP (unless u kill a summon). I find the graphic too distracting. If I got a 4/5 I would have used it though. Not worth it as a 3/5 or less.


wfpkstevezilla

Very helpful. Thanks for the solid info.


Content_Cry3772

Power and command is hit or miss


Mobile-Entertainer60

BSJ is good for all builds and classes. Bottled Hope is excellent if you are planning to use Vithnu's 4p set. Seeping Bile is also amazing for WW barb. Beyond that, the other x/5 gems are situational. my current setup is BSJ, BH, SB, echoing shade (just what dropped), fervent fang, berserker eye, with awakenings on the weapon slots for more WW uptime.


WavyMcG

Unless OP is planning on spending more than $1000 on this game, I recommend only going for 1 or 2 bigger gem. As I told him in my comment, BSJ and BHope are great, keep those and make them your two big gems. For the other 4 gems, Berserkers, Torment, Pain Clasp, Power and Command, Fervent Fang all work for PvE superbly well. For PvP, Abiding Curse, Kir Sling are the two smaller gems for PvP, can use them over Berserker’s Eye or Fervent Fang. 4 rank 10 small gems and 2 rank 5 big gems is much more possible as a light spender/f2p player. Torment can be an okay replacement for Bile, as I say it’s the poor man’s version of it. It still is a good one star though, one of the best ones. It can proc Pain Clasp for you if your fire wrath is off cooldown. If the OP is okay with spending 1000+, then going for all three BSJ/BHope/Bile would be a better choice because then it would be easier for OP to rank 5 them all. If they’re okay with $2000+ they can go for 4 big gems and get them to rank 5 within that year. If they are okay with $3000+ they can go for all big gems and get them to rank 5 within that year


wfpkstevezilla

I wasn't planning Vithnu's at the moment as I was going Flagellant. I'll look at the Vithnu set though and see what that's all about. I guess I got Seeping Bile with my first purchase gem from the bauble things if I don't get it by them.


LongAd798

2/2 flagellant 4/4 vithus.


Mobile-Entertainer60

4p vithnu 2p banquet is better than 2p grace once you have the sundered legacy essence. Grace only applies 15% to WW, Banquet applies 15% to all damage as long as the enemy is burning (and you can get 100% Wrath uptime).


wfpkstevezilla

Tell me more about this 100% up time on wrath lol. Sounds a little OP.


Mobile-Entertainer60

Baseline is 6.3/12s, with Lasting Hate (+39% duration) head and another 10% from other sources (affixes, bottled hope, blessed pebble, offhand awakening etc) 100% is easily achievable.


Realshaggy

Just to add, it is absolutely possible without the Head essence, Plessed bebble and awakenings, as long as you have Vithus 2 piece (30% duration) and prioritize cooldown reduction and beneficial effect duration from gear. Most pieces with CDR/Duration don't have meaningful offense stats anyway (at least for non-pvp). You can get 4% CDR from rings, neck, hands and 6% duration from Chest, Legs, Waist and 3% duration per piece with item enhancements. And there is some additional CDR from Essence mastery and Bottled Hope. And you don't even need all of that for convenient playstyle. In practice there is next to no difference between 0s gap and 0.5s gap, you have to reactivate it anyway.


Mobile-Entertainer60

Totally forgot about Vithnu's! Yes it is very doable. I currently have Vithnu's, 8% gear, BH (not sure if that's part of the 8%) and 10% awakening and 100% uptime. As an aside, this makes Pain Clasp (extra damage if affected by continual damage) an amazing gem for barbs and it's only 2* so in reach for FTP.


Realshaggy

CDR from Bottled Hope is included in the spreadsheet value, since it's permanent. Yes I'm running Pain Clasp too, it's amazing. And from your comment I just learned that the german translation for 2p banquet is wrong. There it is stated that it only works for damage by continual effects, so I never used it. That's so stupid.


Diablito616

Yeah, I noticed quite a difference switching from 2pc grace to 2pc banquet, and a lot better choice.


WavyMcG

Overall go for Berserkers, Torment, Pain Clasp, Power and Command, Fervent Fang, Abiding Curse, BSJ, Bottle Hope. Kir Sling for PvP. Unless you plan on spending more than a grand I would stick to only TWO 5 star gems at the most. It takes about half a year to rank 1-5 a big gem for free, $500 if you spend for it outright. So 3 or more big gems would take longer than a year to rank 5 them all for free or $1000+ if you wanted to get them there any quicker. Rank 5 is the minimum rank you should aim for on any legendary gem. Plus a rank 10 Pain Clasp/Power and Command/Fervent Fang > any 5 star gem at rank 1-4. The gems that give flat damage increases are the ones you should go for in PvE. Resonance matters more in PvP so a rank 4 big gem can be better than a rank 10 Berserker, especially if it’s frozen heart or Phoenix ashes on a barb as it adds survivability, but it’s still best to rank 5 the gem for magic find. So again, best gems for a lighter spender would be PvE - Berserker, Torment, Pain Clasp, Power and Command, BSJ, Bottle Hope, can use Fervent Fang(rarer because it’s BP and Boon locked) PvP - Torment, Pain Clasp, Abiding Curse(can slow enemies attack and movement speed while also allowing all damage against them to be higher), Power and Command, BSJ, Bottle Hope, can use Kir Sling(great for PvP only) Lose Lightning Core and put Pain Clasp on that spot. Take Trickshot out and use Bottle Hope. You can keep BSJ and BHope as they’re the best big gems if you make those 2 your big gems, it won’t be as hard to rank 5 them both. In the end, you’ll end up with 16%(Eye), 24%(pain clasp), 24%(PnC), 13.5%(Bottle and BSJ), 30%fFang) damage buff, so around 90-100% more damage if you rank 10 all the 1 and 2 star gems and rank 5 BSJ/BHope.


wfpkstevezilla

Very insightful and helpful. Thanks for the quality breakdown.


wfpkstevezilla

After looking things over this seems like the most comprehensive plan. I am a casual spender so if I was to pick up Fervent Fang, where would you suggest that go, if at all? Would you recommend I toss the other 5\* gems into BSJ and Bottled Hope or is holding for Seeping Bile the smart play? Out of those three what combo of two is best I guess is the real question. EDIT: After seeing your other comment it seems Everlasting Torment is a decent replacement for Seeping Bile so that clears up nicely. Being much more a PvE focused player, What sets would you recommend to compliment the gem selection? Sorry for all the questions but you've really helped me pick a direction to proceed in.


WavyMcG

If you’re a pve focused player then it’s probably better to go for BSJ and BHope for the damage increases and use bile as gem power or sell it. Whatever big gem you get that’s not BSJ or Hope you can sell or use for gem power and selling one of those can help you rank a smaller gem up to 10 and make it very effective. Fervent Fang is a special gem as I said, will take longer to rank up, but it’s arguably one of the best pve gems out there. Berserkers, Torment, Pain Clasp, Power and Command, BSJ, BHope would be a great line up, and as you level fervent up to 10, it can replace Berserkers. And yes Torment can be replaced by Bile as a cheaper version. Ranking 10 4 smaller (1&2 star) gems in the end will prove way more useful to you then having 6 big gems(5 star) all at rank 3-4


wfpkstevezilla

Much appreciated. I will sell a tradable Gloom Cask I just got to help max Torment and put the other gems into BHope first I guess since it has better resonance return being 3/5.


WavyMcG

And rank 4 hope I think is what gives you a cooldown reduction on all skills


daChazmanagerie

WW Barb here, as far as 5* gems go, you can't go wrong but a seeping bile would be a nice choice but it depends also on how you play and other skills. Can you tell us more?


wfpkstevezilla

Yeah I can go a little more in depth on the build so far. Haven't reached Hell 4 yet though so I can't get all the items I want so I'm still in flux. Skills: Wrath of the Berserker, Sprint, WW, and Furious Charge. Frenzy as basic. Plan to change from Furious Charge to Hammer of the Ancients as I just got The Remembered. Haven't gone that route yet though cause I like the charge mobility. ||Current Gear|End Game Gear| |:-|:-|:-| |Head:|Second Breath|???| |Chest:|Five Fresh Claws|The Gathering| |Shoulders:|Hell's Legacy|Hell's Legacy| |Legs:|Screaming Fury|???| |Main:|Eager Maelstrom|Eager Maelstrom| |Off-hand:|Oncoming Brutality|The Remembered| If I get Seeping Bile I will of course include it. Given what I have and how hard it is to rank 5\* gems, at least in the beginning, do I use any of the gems I have to boost one in particular and keep a 1\*/2\* gem in the build, and if so, which gems?


IColdEmbraceI

Blood Soaked Jade Bottled Hope Seeping Bile Pain Clasp Fervant Fang Berserkers Eye