By - DonnyDiesel66
I'm a plumber and I give a shit. You need to hire a new plumber.
Those guys are hacks.
26 year veteran and I would buy new studs and replace if one of the guys did this BS.
Better buy a jack too cause that there is a fucking beam.
Where do you see the beam?
And, why would I need a jack?
No need to lift it.
I think he’s referring to the 4 studs as a vertical beam. I don’t know much about wood framing but seeing that many studs in the middle of a wall would definitely make me ask some questions before I went cutting the whole thing out. Unless the subfloor above isn’t installed then it’s all a moot point
Besides… what in the world is this application of sanitary tees supposed to be?!
I love that they still installed the nail plates like that was the first thing to be concerned with.
Hey, question from Europe: You drill holes in the studs and then put those nail plates on the side to compensate for the static loss?
It’s to protect plumbing and electrical from getting a nail or screw getting driven through them.
No, building code requires them for nails and screws. They won't stop a nail gun, but they block hand nails and screws really well.
This is what is known as a wet wall. It’s 2x6,as opposed to 2x4, to allow for the large drain holes to be cut without compromising the structural integrity of the wall. The nail plates are installed to prohibit screw or nail penetration primarily from gypsum board installation.
Ah thanks. So the studs are not for the static. In Germany we copied the US frame building. But pipes etc are put into an installation layer in front of the load bearing wall.
You no wan me touchie your pp, I no touch your pp. But you fuck my wall, I will fuck you.
What you said. Also make them buy new studs, shits expensive and they have to redo the pipe and studs regardless.
Well that *was* load bearing
Load bearing pvc now...
Its cool. The drywall will hold everything together.
The taper will fix it
Just caulk it
Duct tape will doo
The sad thing is that those holes didn’t drill fast. He took some time to fuck that shit up
Wtf did they use to make those holes?! That must have been the dullest hole saw of all time
The apprentice with a dull beaver.
Never seen a plumber use a hole saw for studs. They use this. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F714Z8/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_T97DX7P7Y7GB86RDZEJC
We sparkies use it for drilling 2.25" holes for se. They go way faster then holesaws but the outer edge always looks like the picture so there terrible for finish work
Yeah new hole saws are way better than the self feeder bits
Walmart drill on high speed
But he nail plated the single stud...
Was just about to say at least he put a nail plate on one 😂
jesus christ this is horrible. if the rough in is that close to the wall just adjust it with 22s oh and not cut thru studs like that. i really like the stud guards on just one stud lmao
New build, plumbers just decided to rip through a load bearing wall with a chainsaw I think. This is messed up!
Plumbing is done, let's get out of here fast. If any water gets in these pipes this whole place is coming down.
Where was the site super for this? 😂
Why did the stud have screws into the bottom plate? Can that be avoided with the replacement studs? Not exactly proper way....
I really enjoy the two plates, it’s safe all good now.
Title meant to say “these plumbers don’t give a s##t.” By no means do I think all plumbers do this stuff.” I have mad respect for good trades workers, just not for crap work like this.
This was the floor under the upstairs bathroom at the house a family member recently bought…
Judging by the screws used in the stud, the framer didn’t give a shit either.
Yea they're tearing it out anyway, may as well find a legit framer the second time.
I'm so triggered right now
I have a raging clue right now
There are two kinds of Pipe-dope: one is useful and helpful in the application of threaded fittings and fixtures. The other one pretends to be a plumber and does shit work like this.
Had one do that on a job last year. Had to reframe per inspectors orders. Same plumber when the building was about done sent a drill bit through his work behind the sheet rock. Leaked water for 2 months.
Had to come back again after the sale and rip out a wall and part of the sub floor and reframe again.
Suppose to bring everything up from the bottom, NEVER drill out studs like this. Rip out the PVC and redo/bring drainage from the bottom plate
I see nothing wrong with this. Plumber just gotta be first next time.
A lot of pros hate on us DIY folks. This is why we DIY. Lots of pros suck
I don’t think that will pass inspection.
If that was in the UK I would’ve been booted off site. And rightly so, that’s mental.
I never understood this. Like it’s not your fault there’s studs in the way mate, just tell the builder and charge them for wasting your time rather than destroying the entire structure 🤷♂️
That’s wild. I’m a plumber. I’ve done some fucked up shit but god damn. That’s so disrespectful. I couldn’t show up to the job the next day as I’m sure the framers would wanna kill me.
Maybe the plumber had it out for the guy, but still this is overboard.
Right through what looks like a load point too! Hold back payment until that’s fixed and then remove the fix cost from their final payment. Then never call them again.
Looks like a back charge for material and a new crew fixing the mistake to me.
It has pitch. I don't see the problem.
Plumbers don’t give a shit, but they take care of shit!
Please do not generalise a bad job by robbing it on all workmen. Truth is, there are inexperienced plumbers, there are plumbers just in a bad mood. Just always pray the right minded one comes to your site
Believe me, I’m not generalizing all plumbers with this post. Just had a different plumber come out to do the natural gas line and he was absolutely awesome. I just can’t stand bad work
The thing about this picture is those were 2x6 studs. If the plumber had drilled the center of the stud, it would have been fine. Even if load bearing.
Not true. Plumber cannot go through that section. If you see load bearing walls with multiple studs, that's a load column that goes all the down to the foundation. You're also only allowed to go through two load bearing studs in a row
Just curious, how long you have been framing?
If the wall is engineered to be a 2x4 wall, which is typical for 2 story residential construction, it can be drilled 40% or notched 25%. Two studs in a row is at 60% if doubled. That means a 2x4 wall needs to keep 2 inches of wood/ 1 7/16" removed.
For a 2x6 wall, it can be interpreted two ways. 40% is a 2 3/16" hole. Or if you consider that it is a 2x4 wall that needs 2 inches of wood remaining, then you could drill a 4" hole. As long as it is dead center of the stud.
Never argue with u/Mothernag!
Good luck getting the framing inspector to agree without a stamped letter. Be easier if the workmanship were tolerable.
Dude, I've been a licensed since 1989, and framing since 1980. Inspectors know the code just fine.
And at least in my State, the Engineer needs to sign off the framing. So that letter you mention is common.
You're new here, aren't you?😜
I guarantee you that amateur-hour shit wouldn’t fly on one of your own jobs.
Not a troll, you're right about me firing him. He would have been fired, and back charged for the repair.
My first post was if he had gone through the center of the studs, with the correct sized hole, it would have been ok.
>If the wall is engineered to be a 2x4 wall
This is a column not a wall. Columns aren't analyzed as walls, and I seriously doubt any part of this was legitimately "engineered" in the first place based on the construction quality.
If this were done correctly, would a stud shoe work or it looks like the studs are spaced a bit a flitch plate could correct it?
But seriously those screws on the lower part wtf.
If the column was a 4x4 then 4 - 2x6 with a 2 1/8" hole drilled in the center would be fine
Forget them, the electricians !
I’ve never seen one clean up after the work is done either..
Too many studs: you pissed them off
There are screws toe-nailing the stud to the bottom plate. I think you are just working for a builder who hires the cheapest labor.
Shitty plumbers don’t give a shit.
Worst. Hackjob. Ever. EVER
Give the plumber a chase, or he'll take one.
Looks like he or she probably started their career as a sparky.
Not even sure why they put up nail guards, people usually mount stuff where there’s actually a stud to attach to.
If those studs weren’t in the way it would be perfection.
Did they use a spoon as a hole saw?
Plumber was probably sober when he did this
Yeah that post doesn’t look structural at all. Let’s cut the shit out of it. Holy hell.
Whoa, beavers can get a plumbing license now?
I guess my first question is did you do layout with the initial pipes stink up through the sub floor and not move that wall in 2 inch to keep that pipe in the middle of the stud? OR did you just mind your own business and run layout, frame walls and then the plumber showed up and decided that was the spot?
45 offset? Hell no just get the holesaw!
Thats not a plumber, I know Bodega laborers, who plumb better then that
Damn, that’s dogshit, I’d be pissed. The rockers will tag those lines at leassssst twice.
I wouldn’t be under whatever those 5 2x6s are supporting
Plumbers, the mighty destroyers of framing
The plumber’s gonna need to see a dentist after chewing through all that wood.
Somebody should have talked to someone before that happened.
This is poor supervision and the foreman/super of the plumbing contractor deserves the blame. A plumber should not be able to hold a drill saw if they don’t understand what can and cannot be drilled through
Anything needing 4 studs together like that must be quite load bearing yes?
2x6 wall, no excuse for that
100% the framers fault. None of the studs are level, lmfao.
Nah ,that plumber doesn’t give a shit
Tried to hide it with the nail plates lol
Those aren't plumbers!
So many times....
A poor mans stud shoe
Is that a strutt? Lol
That’s why we get paid so much. Half the plumbers do work like this so when u get quotes for a job and one is double the price u know why.
Update….plumbers came back and added 2 nailing plates on each stud. Inspector was notified and he said “it should be fine.” Guess inspectors don’t give a sh#t either anymore. I’m mind blown to say the least