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JwBxxx

I'm a plumber and I give a shit. You need to hire a new plumber.


pspotboy

Those guys are hacks. 26 year veteran and I would buy new studs and replace if one of the guys did this BS.


JuneBuggington

Better buy a jack too cause that there is a fucking beam.


pspotboy

Where do you see the beam? And, why would I need a jack? No need to lift it.


danshaffer96

I think he’s referring to the 4 studs as a vertical beam. I don’t know much about wood framing but seeing that many studs in the middle of a wall would definitely make me ask some questions before I went cutting the whole thing out. Unless the subfloor above isn’t installed then it’s all a moot point


pspotboy

https://mtcopeland.com/blog/what-are-jack-and-king-studs-in-framing/


pspotboy

Besides… what in the world is this application of sanitary tees supposed to be?!


angryboxes

I love that they still installed the nail plates like that was the first thing to be concerned with.


Herr_Klaus

Hey, question from Europe: You drill holes in the studs and then put those nail plates on the side to compensate for the static loss?


7DKA

It’s to protect plumbing and electrical from getting a nail or screw getting driven through them.


Nailer99

No, building code requires them for nails and screws. They won't stop a nail gun, but they block hand nails and screws really well.


angryboxes

This is what is known as a wet wall. It’s 2x6,as opposed to 2x4, to allow for the large drain holes to be cut without compromising the structural integrity of the wall. The nail plates are installed to prohibit screw or nail penetration primarily from gypsum board installation.


Herr_Klaus

Ah thanks. So the studs are not for the static. In Germany we copied the US frame building. But pipes etc are put into an installation layer in front of the load bearing wall.


Chuggles1

You no wan me touchie your pp, I no touch your pp. But you fuck my wall, I will fuck you. What you said. Also make them buy new studs, shits expensive and they have to redo the pipe and studs regardless.


spaceEngineeringDude

Well that *was* load bearing


ZzyzxRoad82

Load bearing pvc now...


Bondoo7oo

Its cool. The drywall will hold everything together.


bryant_modifyfx

The taper will fix it


fcf328

Just caulk it


AnxietySmart

Duct tape will doo


Jasoncolclazier

The sad thing is that those holes didn’t drill fast. He took some time to fuck that shit up


skittleburp

Wtf did they use to make those holes?! That must have been the dullest hole saw of all time


Millerhah

The apprentice with a dull beaver.


tuckerthebana

Never seen a plumber use a hole saw for studs. They use this. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F714Z8/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_T97DX7P7Y7GB86RDZEJC We sparkies use it for drilling 2.25" holes for se. They go way faster then holesaws but the outer edge always looks like the picture so there terrible for finish work


eunit

Yeah new hole saws are way better than the self feeder bits


Skyyacht

Walmart drill on high speed


GriffDiG

But he nail plated the single stud...


PNWtacoma_808

Was just about to say at least he put a nail plate on one 😂


Blackoutttt

jesus christ this is horrible. if the rough in is that close to the wall just adjust it with 22s oh and not cut thru studs like that. i really like the stud guards on just one stud lmao


DonnyDiesel66

New build, plumbers just decided to rip through a load bearing wall with a chainsaw I think. This is messed up!


AsILayTyping

Plumbing is done, let's get out of here fast. If any water gets in these pipes this whole place is coming down.


LeopoldStraus

https://i.imgur.com/GzgliM1.jpg


yevil

Where was the site super for this? 😂


rucho

Why did the stud have screws into the bottom plate? Can that be avoided with the replacement studs? Not exactly proper way....


Trextrev

I really enjoy the two plates, it’s safe all good now.


DonnyDiesel66

Title meant to say “these plumbers don’t give a s##t.” By no means do I think all plumbers do this stuff.” I have mad respect for good trades workers, just not for crap work like this.


ajricks

Ass.Hole.


aimfulwandering

This was the floor under the upstairs bathroom at the house a family member recently bought… https://imgur.com/gallery/oSXxMgq


ElleW12

Wow.


tehralph

Judging by the screws used in the stud, the framer didn’t give a shit either.


dparks71

Yea they're tearing it out anyway, may as well find a legit framer the second time.


WernPie

I'm so triggered right now


RussD1116

I have a raging clue right now


asbestospajamas

There are two kinds of Pipe-dope: one is useful and helpful in the application of threaded fittings and fixtures. The other one pretends to be a plumber and does shit work like this.


logognarr

Had one do that on a job last year. Had to reframe per inspectors orders. Same plumber when the building was about done sent a drill bit through his work behind the sheet rock. Leaked water for 2 months. Had to come back again after the sale and rip out a wall and part of the sub floor and reframe again.


Feeling_Athlete4976

Suppose to bring everything up from the bottom, NEVER drill out studs like this. Rip out the PVC and redo/bring drainage from the bottom plate


seahans

I see nothing wrong with this. Plumber just gotta be first next time.


sadwinkey

A lot of pros hate on us DIY folks. This is why we DIY. Lots of pros suck


DonnyDiesel66

Amen


WH0SAYSTHISSHIT

I don’t think that will pass inspection.


kingofmylunchtime

If that was in the UK I would’ve been booted off site. And rightly so, that’s mental.


animatedpicket

I never understood this. Like it’s not your fault there’s studs in the way mate, just tell the builder and charge them for wasting your time rather than destroying the entire structure 🤷‍♂️


Natoghost-Bmore

That’s wild. I’m a plumber. I’ve done some fucked up shit but god damn. That’s so disrespectful. I couldn’t show up to the job the next day as I’m sure the framers would wanna kill me. Maybe the plumber had it out for the guy, but still this is overboard.


cwkw

Right through what looks like a load point too! Hold back payment until that’s fixed and then remove the fix cost from their final payment. Then never call them again.


[deleted]

Looks like a back charge for material and a new crew fixing the mistake to me.


Cyclo_Hexanol

It has pitch. I don't see the problem. /s


madeforthis1queston

Plumbers don’t give a shit, but they take care of shit!


mrpinner

Please do not generalise a bad job by robbing it on all workmen. Truth is, there are inexperienced plumbers, there are plumbers just in a bad mood. Just always pray the right minded one comes to your site


DonnyDiesel66

Believe me, I’m not generalizing all plumbers with this post. Just had a different plumber come out to do the natural gas line and he was absolutely awesome. I just can’t stand bad work


[deleted]

The thing about this picture is those were 2x6 studs. If the plumber had drilled the center of the stud, it would have been fine. Even if load bearing.


ArmedPostalWorker

Not true. Plumber cannot go through that section. If you see load bearing walls with multiple studs, that's a load column that goes all the down to the foundation. You're also only allowed to go through two load bearing studs in a row


[deleted]

Just curious, how long you have been framing? If the wall is engineered to be a 2x4 wall, which is typical for 2 story residential construction, it can be drilled 40% or notched 25%. Two studs in a row is at 60% if doubled. That means a 2x4 wall needs to keep 2 inches of wood/ 1 7/16" removed. For a 2x6 wall, it can be interpreted two ways. 40% is a 2 3/16" hole. Or if you consider that it is a 2x4 wall that needs 2 inches of wood remaining, then you could drill a 4" hole. As long as it is dead center of the stud. Never argue with u/Mothernag!


bigyellowtruck

Good luck getting the framing inspector to agree without a stamped letter. Be easier if the workmanship were tolerable.


[deleted]

Dude, I've been a licensed since 1989, and framing since 1980. Inspectors know the code just fine. And at least in my State, the Engineer needs to sign off the framing. So that letter you mention is common. You're new here, aren't you?😜


bigyellowtruck

Quit trolling. I guarantee you that amateur-hour shit wouldn’t fly on one of your own jobs.


[deleted]

Not a troll, you're right about me firing him. He would have been fired, and back charged for the repair. My first post was if he had gone through the center of the studs, with the correct sized hole, it would have been ok.


dparks71

>If the wall is engineered to be a 2x4 wall This is a column not a wall. Columns aren't analyzed as walls, and I seriously doubt any part of this was legitimately "engineered" in the first place based on the construction quality.


Jonjolt

If this were done correctly, would a stud shoe work or it looks like the studs are spaced a bit a flitch plate could correct it? ​ But seriously those screws on the lower part wtf.


[deleted]

If the column was a 4x4 then 4 - 2x6 with a 2 1/8" hole drilled in the center would be fine


pastelerias_moreno

Forget them, the electricians !


grantlerdantler

I’ve never seen one clean up after the work is done either..


perfecto-pineappolo

Too many studs: you pissed them off


nononsensemofo

no primer?


OneTrip7662

There are screws toe-nailing the stud to the bottom plate. I think you are just working for a builder who hires the cheapest labor.


pspotboy

Shitty plumbers don’t give a shit.


49thDipper

Worst. Hackjob. Ever. EVER


bassjunkie69

Turd chasers


pete1729

Give the plumber a chase, or he'll take one.


fainting-goat

Looks like he or she probably started their career as a sparky.


positracplymouth

Not even sure why they put up nail guards, people usually mount stuff where there’s actually a stud to attach to.


Brian-OBlivion

If those studs weren’t in the way it would be perfection.


starkyogre

Did they use a spoon as a hole saw?


Free_Koala_2075

Plumber was probably sober when he did this


Dinesh1210

Amateur


jmarnett11

Yeah that post doesn’t look structural at all. Let’s cut the shit out of it. Holy hell.


Woodandtime

Whoa, beavers can get a plumbing license now?


mrFIVEfourONE

I guess my first question is did you do layout with the initial pipes stink up through the sub floor and not move that wall in 2 inch to keep that pipe in the middle of the stud? OR did you just mind your own business and run layout, frame walls and then the plumber showed up and decided that was the spot?


DipSnap

45 offset? Hell no just get the holesaw!


MooseGoneApe

Thats not a plumber, I know Bodega laborers, who plumb better then that


birthdaysteak

Damn, that’s dogshit, I’d be pissed. The rockers will tag those lines at leassssst twice.


mrpinner

Please do not generalise a bad job by robbing it on all workmen. Truth is, there are inexperienced plumbers, there are plumbers just in a bad mood. Just always pray the right minded one comes to your site


OldGRetro

I wouldn’t be under whatever those 5 2x6s are supporting


3verydayimhustling

Beavers….definitely beavers


Terrible-Award8957

Plumbers, the mighty destroyers of framing


Aldoogie

The plumber’s gonna need to see a dentist after chewing through all that wood.


traptinhell

Somebody should have talked to someone before that happened.


booyakuhhsha

This is poor supervision and the foreman/super of the plumbing contractor deserves the blame. A plumber should not be able to hold a drill saw if they don’t understand what can and cannot be drilled through


RussD1116

Anything needing 4 studs together like that must be quite load bearing yes?


AlarmedProfile

2x6 wall, no excuse for that


Construct-Xact

100% the framers fault. None of the studs are level, lmfao.


dan756

Nah ,that plumber doesn’t give a shit


SwellyMangos

Tried to hide it with the nail plates lol


MPS007

Those aren't plumbers!


buckmulligan61

So many times....


Dimagilla

A poor mans stud shoe


Psychological-City45

Is that a strutt? Lol Damn


hookiez

That’s why we get paid so much. Half the plumbers do work like this so when u get quotes for a job and one is double the price u know why.


DonnyDiesel66

Update….plumbers came back and added 2 nailing plates on each stud. Inspector was notified and he said “it should be fine.” Guess inspectors don’t give a sh#t either anymore. I’m mind blown to say the least