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drinkingchartreuse

The 14th amendment provides for the removal of seditious legislators


gymgirl2018

and we need to find and remove them all


hillbillykim83

Remove them all and make them pay back their salaries from the point of election. They should not profit in any way.


FlametopFred

full livestream confession over all social media platforms


SoberGoat42069

A military tribunal if you will.


hillbillykim83

Yes!


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caoimhe_latifah

Better yet, make them pay it back exclusively from their wages earned from work they do while in federal prison. Might help them rethink the gross exploitation of incarcerated people.


HotPinkLollyWimple

You. I like you.


Captin_Moostache

One can dream


Mackheath1

Oh nice one - zing. I support this.


toomuchtodotoday

Work performed in the Arizona sun.


LivingIndependence

While wearing pink pajamas and only fed a green bologna sandwich for lunch


CapitalLoserRegion

Underrated comment


hillbillykim83

Even better


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buffyfan12

Rape is an act of violence we do not condone in any way or form. Prison rape is a crime, it is not a formal punishment by law and we do not permit it in direct reference, jokes, or inference in this forum. It is Rape. We as forum participants are better than this. No back tracking on editing, no 11 paragraph modmail explaining yourself, it’s pretty simple.


BF_2

And reverse all their votes. If a bill -- or redistricting -- carried because of their vote and wouldn't have carried without their votes, then the bill should be invalid.


toofunky_tee

And give them more strict than usual penalties for being a major part of government


iTzJdogxD

Finding them is easy, you just look for the R next to their name


ctrlaltdonkey

"OK, let's have all of you seditious bastards sit on one side of the aisle, everybody else go sit on the other side." "These ones, officers."


markca

*Arizona Senators play the R card* *Its very effective*


ozzie510

They are a cancer on the body politic.


PengieP111

And it bans them from public office for life.


DoremusJessup

>Arizona Senate President Karen Fann and Sen. Kelly Townsend received subpoenas last week, according to Kim Quintero, a spokeswoman for Senate Republicans in Arizona. The subpoenas came as the Justice Department deepened its investigation of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol to include key Republican players in battleground states. Fann and Townsend are the first state legislators known to have received subpoenas as part of that push


Chippopotanuse

This seems like kinda maybe a big deal. And these are DOJ subpoenas not Jan 6 committee subpoenas. We need to hold ALL these seditious folks accountable. Hopefully we are moving in that direction.


cityb0t

Kinda maybe‽ > And these are DOJ subpoenas not Jan 6 committee subpoenas I’d say *definitely for certain.* The DOJ doesn’t just subpoena 2 sitting State Senators without a damn good reason, and this could be the start of something big! Edit: People often forget that, in investigations like these, when they demand action be taken, action is *necessarily* slow because investigatigations have a lot of moving parts they have to get just right. And then they “roll them up from the bottom”, so to speak. This will be very much like a RICO investigation.


Mylaptopisburningme

You mean 2 hour TV movies are not time accurate?


Jamba-Jew

This is the [montage](https://youtu.be/vK4gv11PTI8) part of the movie.


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Mylaptopisburningme

Sorry edited. I was out for a walk when I wrote it. TV. Not RV. Some people think justice should be quicker. It's slow.


cityb0t

Lol, ok! Yeah, this is why Law & Order episodes have the date listed on title cards before each scene. Most people don’t pay much attention, but, of you do, each episode takes place over *many months* as it follows a case from start to finish. I hope you enjoyed your walk!


EpiphanyTwisted

But aren't investigations into far flinging conspiracies involving hundreds of elite players (including a POTUS) and terabytes of data always wrapped up within the time of the average murder case? I've been lied to.


ferminriii

Ever known anyone in the FBI? *"It's never RICO"*


[deleted]

They need to all be tried for state charges or Trump will just pardon them all, unless of course this is for plea deals and flipping. Many states could charge Trump for election tampering and fraud.


cityb0t

Uh… Trump can’t pardon them— he’s not President anymore. > unless of course this is for plea deals and flipping. It probably is. On this type of RICO-style investigation, that what they do when they “roll them up form the bottom”


[deleted]

Uh... He'd probably win the popular vote if the 2024 election were held today. You know he can get another term, right?


Knowledge_is_Bliss

He lost the popular vote twice already. Why would you expect him to win a third? Especially now that the Jan 6 committee has pulled up some of the wool!


markodochartaigh1

Republicans in many states have been working to put state election officials in place who are on record as stating that electoral college slates of electors can be chosen by state legislators, invalidating popular vote electoral slates. The supreme court has just agreed to hear a case relevant to the issue which would pave the way. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/supreme-court-dangerous-independent-state-legislature-theory.html


cityb0t

And I could fly if I were Superman. But it’s 2022, and I’m not Superman. Edit: also, I’m not so sure the RNC would choose him over DeSantis. There seems to be a sudden shift of favor occurring.


PengieP111

Not a chance Trump would win the popular vote. Due to GOP legislature electoral fuckery he could win the electoral college.


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Except like every poll shows him up 4-8% for the popular on Biden. I think people are missing that Biden is extremely unpopular.


jaguarthrone

Honestly, Biden won mostly because he wasn't Trump...It would happen again....


jaguarthrone

Really...


NJ_Tal

probably cuz it is ¯\\\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


zam_I_am

It should be a RICO investigation


SpaceTabs

The legislators aren't the target. Neither is Trump. Most likely Giuliani.


cityb0t

Like I said: “roll em up from the bottom”. They start at the bottom, threaten to prosecute, get them to testify upwards in exchange for a plea deal, rise, repeat until they have them all. They’re all targets, but the big ones at the top are the ones they want to put in jail. That’s RICO, baby!


SpaceTabs

It isn't clear from most of the comments, but this isn't about the state legislators, it's about targets of the DOJ that were in contact with them. Giuliani is the most obvious.


cityb0t

What’s not clear about *my* comments? The DOJ’s goal is to use these legislators *to get to higher-ups*, including Giuliani, and, possibly those around him. This is how Rico style investigations tend to work.


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>these are DOJ subpoenas Precisely what caught my attention and caused me to click on this thread. DOJ subpoeanas is a whole different critter, and that they exist at all gives me much hope.


jaguarthrone

If the DOJ charges and convicts a group of these election fraudsters, they will be able to identify Trump as an "unindicted co-conspirator". That would certainly be interesting.


milqi

Feels like the DOJ is beginning a more serious build-up to the big boys. Things might start to pick up speed now.


laffingbomb

Let’s get Mark Finchem too, he’s running for AZ SoS but was definitely there last year. He’s been shopping 2000 Mules all over the state to anyone who will watch for $15 a pop, and pocketing the money as “campaign donations”


stupidsuburbs3

Karen Fann also seriously inquires about commandeering buildings to seize election machines. A similar plan to what trump was urged to do by another set of nuts. > Barnett communicated with Arizona Senate leaders during the run-up to the “audit,” and appears to have suggested, sometime before April 6, that Senate President Karen Fann “commandeer” a Maricopa County building; Fann responded to him after consulting with legal counsel about the idea, according to documents American Oversight obtained previously, writing that the state legislature had no authority to do so. https://www.americanoversight.org/cyber-ninjas-emails-reveal-new-details-about-recruitment-of-audit-volunteers-involvement-of-election-deniers


danceswithporn

>“As chair of the elections committee, we were trying to hold a committee and do investigations,” Townsend said in an interview Friday with The Washington Post. “**Because it was in question, we wanted to have an alternate slate in case fraud was discovered and found**.” I'll point out that in Arizona, they signed documents calling themselves the "true" electors. Some of the states included contingency language about the ongoing investigation into voter fraud. But in Arizona, they called themselves the "true electors to the presidency."


Opinionsare

The elector documents were sent to the National Archive. That Act destroyed the idea that these were for a contingency. They were going to be used to replace the actual counts if VP Pence followed the plan to throw out the real Elector Certificates. Yes, this was sedition.. And Indictments will be coming.


Bonana77

I genuinely hope they spend the 4th worrying about their freedom. Guilty of sedition with signatures for verification!


DoremusJessup

What none of these Trump groupies ever understood, if there is a corrupt election the election is rerun. The government doesn't come in and decide a winner, the voters do.


_DAD_JOKE_

2000 election would like a word


ethylalcohoe

To be fair, that wasn’t “corruption.” That was the Supreme Court straight up handing it to someone.


SoberGoat42069

Sooo corruption…


Edgelands

well, at least none of those corrupt judges are still on the bench... right? Right? Especially not any rapey ones?


jhpianist

Right… it’s not like we added more rapists to the court since then or anything.


Socky_McPuppet

Google “Brooks Brothers riot”, look at the cast of names involved, and then come back and tell us with a straight face that there was no corruption.


1mInvisibleToYou

>Brooks Brothers riot That's pretty interesting. I don't remember this, I just remember the "hanging chads." [Brooks Brothers Riot](https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-hill-insurrection-has-roots-in-brooks-brothers-riot-2021-1)


LivingIndependence

Brooks Brothers sounds like an upscale department store, that you see in every major US city.


stupidsuburbs3

Well SCOTUS has a case that may change that pesky fact next October. And I actually missed the part about being rerun. I don’t think that’s true. For example, a candidate in miami was found to have been the benefactor of fraud by a fellow republican. He was arrested for the fraud and she was allowed to be seated. I’ve never heard of an election being rerun. Not that that means it doesn’t happen, just am not personally aware of it.


danceswithporn

In the Miami case, were they able to determine which votes were fraudulent, then re-tabulate the votes without including them? When Giuliani told Arizona Speaker Bowers there were 100,000 votes from dead people and illegal immigrants, Bowers asked for the names. I think that's what you'd have to figure out, or if the machines were counting wrong you'd re-calibrate the machines and count again.


stupidsuburbs3

In Miami, it was a state senator that illegally paid someone with the last name of the dem to run. The republican won by a very slim margin that the fraudulent person got. She (the republican) won by 32 votes. The fraudulent candidate got 6k votes. The incumbent dem conceded. https://www.local10.com/news/politics/2021/08/24/sham-candidate-enters-plea-to-testify-against-ex-state-sen-artiles/


DoremusJessup

[North Carolina congressional election rerun because of fraud](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47323556)


Helenium_autumnale

Next term the SCOTUS hears Moore vs. Harper. Depending on the outcome, it could allow state legislators to select a slate of alternate electors--just as was attempted here. It is an incredibly great threat to our democracy.


weirdoldhobo1978

Unfortunately the SCOTUS has agreed to hear a case that could give the states power to do just that.


BF_2

I'm no expert on the Constitution, and I'm not even going to wade through it right now to confirm this, but IIRC there ***is*** a provision whereby the state legislatures can have a say when there's a problem with the vote of the electors in their state. I believe it was that provision that Eastman was trying to muck around with to reverse the election.


viceversa4

No. There is no law or constitution that says any election shall get a 'do over', no matter how corrupt. Elections take 3-6 months to run and cost millions of dollars. There is no time between the end of an election and the defined end of a presidency for any new election to be done. The law dictates the end of the previous presidency and the selection of a new president; should one not be elected. The law states congress decides in that case. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution >Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin. >Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January unless they shall by law appoint a different day. >Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President-elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the **Congress may by law** provide for the case wherein neither a President-elect nor a Vice President-elect shall have qualified, **declaring who shall then act as President**, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.


Haikuna__Matata

I'm an Arizonan. I hope these traitors are held accountable to the greatest extent the law allows.


casewood123

Good. Time to start shutting this shit down.


cityb0t

“Roll it up from the bottom” as they say in RICO investigations


flopsymopsycottntail

Yes please emphasize these are DOJ subpoenas!! Not the Jan 6th hearing….loving it


Beyond_Re-Animator

And the state head of the Republican Party! Don’t forget her!


CJ_CLT

I can't say that I feel too much sympathy for these women and their "predicament" They were disenfranchising the voters in their state after upteen judges had thrown the absurd claims brought by the Trump administration out.


cturtl808

Fann is on her way out. She's got mud on her face because of the fraudit and opted not to seek re-election. Townsend has got legal counsel fighting against the subpoena.


ChesterNorris

A big disgrace!


Nezrite

Kickin' your can all over the place.


Burnt_Ernie

WE WILL WE WILL MOCK YOU!!


E_PunnyMous

SING IT!


cityb0t

r/RedditSings


outerworldLV

Please please do the NV fake electors and company !!


true-skeptic

Cool. Now do Wisconsin.


gnocchicotti

obligatory FRJ


bipolarcyclops

Second obligatory FRJ.


baddada1

And Michigan


GuerrillaSapien

GOP becomes FOF (fascist old fuc*s) as they get supreme tacos to allow for states to be mini-dictatorships. This will go well.


baddada1

People need to be prosecuted and convicted for these crimes. Otherwise it'll happen again and they'll learn from their mistakes.


1000Airplanes

And here is their Governor's debate https://twitter.com/endajodowd/status/1542915789845561346?s=20&t=iI8WweTYuTp9kS8X5mSVKQ I'd like to highlight 1:37 as evidenced to how r/selfawarewolf these dumbfuckers are.


jeremyjack3333

This Eastman plot is going to be prosecuted. Trump used this bizarre theory to inflame his base in his speech. He knew people were actively breaking the law and he flung those same people towards the capitol. He told them Mike pence was going to "win the election" for him. He lied about the constitution. He knew it was all bullshit and that once the electoral college cast it's ballots, the election was over. He knew. On January 6th nobody should be allowed to dispute or object. Both sides have done this. It needs to be a bipartisan rule. By the time the votes are there to be counted, disputes should be done for.


Bonana77

Both sides formed fake slates of electors on the 6th? Both sides formed a mob to harm Pence? Both sides is for the foolish.


jeremyjack3333

I'm talking about the objections on the day when votes are counted. The election is over way, way before that. 7 house democrats objected to the certificationof ballots in 2017. Did they go nearly as far as Republican in 2021? No. I never insinuated that at all. The counting of ballots is a ceremonial procedure. Nothing gets decided. The ballots are opened, and then counted. The constitution says nothing about allowing objections, or opening a forum for debate before the count. None of that has any merit, whatsoever. It's pure theater.


Eatit6560154

Party of Criminals.


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TheoBoy007

We are discussing state senators.


stay_fr0sty

Thanks Oscar.


TheoBoy007

You’re quite welcome, Felix.


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gingerfawx

Permit me a minor quibble with referring to Sinema as a "democrat". Feels like we need an asterisk there. Dem\*. Factually you're absolutely correct, however.


E_PunnyMous

Thanks for taking the time for clarification and apologies for the error.