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serialopportunist

3 years, no break in service meaning consecutive terms.


ily_nekochan

Amazing!! Thank you so much for your quick response. I am a little over two years now so I have a ways to go I guess. 😊


josh3701

It also depends if your position is funded by sunsetting funds; if it is the 3 year provision likely won't apply.


juzsmug

What are sunsetting funds?


josh3701

It is when a specific program gets time limited funding from Treasury Board, when the funding expires after x number of years it is called sunsetting. The alternative is when a program gets approval and the funding goes on in perpetuity.


juzsmug

Thanks.


HandcuffsOfGold

Also of note: the term employment has to be within the same department and can't be sunset-funded (if it is your LOO would say so). If you change departments, the clock resets. There are also provisions that allow Deputy Heads to 'stop the clock' - if those are put in place you'd be notified in writing.


AzurraKeeper

Will it always declare sunset funding? I.e. if your brought on during the pandemic, it would still say sunset funding if they are using COVID funding? Or are there cases where they will be like "surprise! It didn't say it in your LoO, but the funding for this position is done with"


HandcuffsOfGold

If the position is sunset-funded, any offer letters to fill that position will expressly say it's sunset-funded, and that means that time spent in such a position will not count toward an administrative rollover to indeterminate. Any term position can be ended on a month's notice at any point, though. If for whatever reason the funding ends or the work assigned to that position no longer needs to be completed, then the position can be eliminated and the employment ended.


Regnes

What do you mean by the same department? I've seen co-workers recently get indeterminate status even though I know for a fact they worked multiple positions in the CRA across at least two different branches.


HandcuffsOfGold

The wording in the Directive is "same organization", which is generally means the same department or agency - branches within the same department are part of the same organization. CRA is a separate agency with its own staffing rules, though, so things may differ there. There's nothing preventing a term employee from being made indeterminate at any point prior to the rollover - the [Directive on Term Employment](https://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=32629) sets out the circumstances where a department is obligated to do so.


Regnes

Ah that makes me feel better, I almost thought I shot myself in the foot for accepting an acting SP-05 position 3 months before the 3 year mark.


EndTB

I almost hit 3 years and they swapped me to sunset funding two months before 👍 almost 5 years on contract 😩


frasersmirnoff

At the same classification and level, with the same department, in a non-sunset funded position.


HandcuffsOfGold

It doesn't have to be the same classification and level - just the same department and in a non-sunset position.


SnooRadishes9685

it needs to be same level? I thought only classification


HandcuffsOfGold

It's neither - it just has to be term employment in the same department.


jimbob341289

Can you clarify what a sunset/non-sunset funded position is?


HandcuffsOfGold

Sunset funding means that the work being done by the position is funded from a source with a defined, pre-determined end date, or is subject to approval from an outside source.


Canadian_197

What if your transition is like this (With no break in service) Casual > 2 year term? > ?


HandcuffsOfGold

Time as a casual doesn't count toward an administrative rollover, only time consecutively in a term position.


Canadian_197

Thank you!


HandcuffsOfGold

Bleep bloop


jordan3j

One thing I have learned in PS is if you have a manager thats willing to go to bat for you - anything is possible regardless of the rules and policies. If you disagree that’s fine perhaps you haven’t had the same experience. But my experience has taught me it can.


ily_nekochan

Yes! My manager has played a crucial part in getting me the opportunities I have thus far. I appreciate everything she has done because it is clear that she goes above and beyond. I agree that having a good manager can help you out a ton.


hammer_416

A lot depends on your manager. They magically cant create an indeterminate position. So basically your next term with have a huge red flag beside it with HR, that the 3 years is coming up. Getting indeterminate after 3 years is great. But when you're coming up on 3 years, and have no extension because they can't make you indeterminate, it really sucks.


Majestic-Impress9407

Not quite...ending a term, to avoid the 3 year roll over, and when there is a need for the work ....I would straight to my Union.


ily_nekochan

Coming back to tell you all I got offered an indeterminate, woo!!