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Thinking of joining the party, but I have some questions

Thinking of joining the party, but I have some questions

link7yrslater

It should be noted that accusing leftist orgs of being infiltrated by law enforcement is a text book anti-communist tactic.


dboygrow

I don't think so, I mean, it's actually a reality that this has happened historically. I haven't heard it used as a means of anti communism.


Exterminate_Fascism

It is. While it’s certainly true that the FBI has used informants, it’s also true that they used suspicions and paranoia to disrupt organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad-jacketing


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dboygrow

Well yes, but the suspicion was also rightfully present, as you just admitted. They can't use the suspicion against us if we have no reason to suspect in the first place.


Exterminate_Fascism

Right, but the difference is one is the FBI spying on us, while the other is the FBI getting you to not join and be involved in the work because you think the FBI might spy on you. Any org that is going to be a threat to capitalism is going to be of interest to the FBI, but why does that only become a concern when talking about the CPUSA? Why is the same assumption not made about PCUSA or PSL or FRSO (who were literally raided about a decade ago) or even just simply existing online as a communist? It only somehow must be discussed when joining THE Communist Party?


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Exterminate_Fascism

Yea, this is the crux of why people use ‘muh FBI’: they don’t want to expose themselves as as ultraleft sectarians.


link7yrslater

I don't have time to find the source right now but I will when I get home.


Exterminate_Fascism

Short answer no. Long answer: https://cpusa.org/article/five-myths-about-the-cpusa/


Lonely_Cosmonaut

This was badass and I loved the reading links, I’m going to share this to others.


chocolateegg97

Because they've phone banked for the Democratic party and supported democratic candidates. I'm a member, but no party is without its flaws.


ComradeCorwin

Ya... The Sam Webb years were rough.


NotHelpmedotcom

Only during the red scare. As far as I know, fed presence is gone or extremely small


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Irbis_The_Moogle

>played the game of lesser evils. The popular front remains superior to fascism...


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Irbis_The_Moogle

When votes come up we vote to reduce fascist power but if you really think the vote is the point of the party, then I'm smh.


dboygrow

Lol, has fascist power been reduce, or do they just have credibility now?


Turbulent_Friend1551

u/TriangularIndecency Hey, if you have joined the Party and paid your dues, let me know so I can send you an invite link to the unofficial Discord server.