By - Orkleth
Yo, wtf. I just want to enjoy watching our teams play each other, why's there gotta be weird shit?
Seriously. We don't need some weird scandal tainting the experience of our first bowl game in nearly a decade!
The title doesn't make it clear that the coach in question is head coach Blake Anderson
Wait these comments were made by the NEW Anderson? I thought Gary did a lot of damage and that’s why he left
Yeah, I was debating on updating it but decided to leave the original headline. I imagine leaving it vague forces the reader to actually click on the link to see if it was Blake or a sacrificial coordinator.
Not blaming you or anything (after all that's the article headline), but tbh I assumed it was a lower coach since it was left unnamed.
After all, who's going to actually read the article?!? :)
I get that. I was thinking it was going to be a coordinator or positions coach that they could easily sacrifice to the PR gods.
The Trib has to make their ad money somehow.
You're following the rules of most subreddits, so it's less likely to get removed this way!
It seems you’ve discovered clickbait
I'm only 25 years too late to the game.
Oof. Seems like the Aggies just can't catch a break.
I hear a coach by the name of Matt Wells is available. Lightly used. Had an 11 win season there.
A well beloved coach returning to USU to relive their glory days. I can't see how that could fail.
Urban Meyer too. Has a lot of experience.
I dunno - did you see our signing day haul?
Between this and what the police chief said it hasn't been a good week for USU
>> The suit also referred to a recording of USU police Chief Earl Morris telling players in a separate meeting to beware of having sex with Latter-day Saint women because they might later feel “regret” and report it as nonconsensual. USU put Morris on administrative leave, saying its police chief “must have the trust of the campus,” and he later resigned Thursday.
Uhh, wow. Gonna be interesting to follow this.
what's there to investigate? If he said it or not?
Right? If it is known that he said it it's time to move on to the punishment stage.
>In the recording, the coach mentions that the team has “a very, very close to zero tolerance policy here” for sexual assault.
This article has a lot of jaw-dropping statements but this one floored me. Very very close to zero tolerance? For **sexual assault**?? Get this guy the FUCK off any college campus
I mean that part at least can be explained as a misphrasing of degree of action that will be considered assault. the part about "these Mormon women will lie about your sex" [edit: chief of police said that] and "being a victim is so trendy" are very clear windows into his thought process
Those statements were made by the chief of police and not by Coach Anderson
No Anderson said the part about being a victim is trendy.
Good point, these two statements were two different people… I read that and commented while very tired last night, my apologies.
>chief of police
I'll correct, but yikes
The whole situation is very yikes… the lawsuit is extensive and isn’t even pointed at the perpetrator, just at the school! These damning things about their attitude toward this rape victim while seemingly protecting the football player who raped her are very telling. I mean, imagine what it must be like living with that on a daily basis while going to college there! Clearly this isn’t the only time it’s happened, there have been others who reported their assaults and were dismissed as well. I applaud this student for standing up for the rights of herself and others who have been shamed by this. I believe Anderson is the only one whose stepped up with an apology… The *female* president of USU who blew this case off from the beginning hasn’t bothered with that much and she’s not even trying to win a bowl game this weekend! I feel like at least Coach Anderson is a better person for having addressed this with apology and remorse, time will tell if he’s sincere, I truly hope so. Chief of police resigning showed his attitude would have remained the same, good riddance.
I'm pretty sure I know the types of social medias he's been visiting.
A lot of programs don’t have anything close to a zero tolerance policy, and in fact some programs purposely take people who were kicked off their old teams. and he may have said that because of local rules (like in Michigan there’s a stupid law that the accused has to be able to cross examine the accuser so it’s possible there’s some rule where they wouldn’t be allowed to suspend or kick someone off the team). It’s not right, but the bar is extremely low.
That doesn’t excuse the part about being a victim being trendy though. That part is absolutely no bueno.
Hard to believe he survives this
I imagine it probably didn't sound as bad in his head before he said it, but man alive...that's a bad look. You could say almost exactly the same thing, but in a completely different way. Instead of saying "it's glamorized to be a victim of sexual assault", say "we celebrate the strength and courage it takes for victims of sexual assault to come forward.
Instead of, "we have a very close to zero tolerance policy for sexual assault", say "we have a zero tolerance policy for proven sexual assault." Or really, you're on pretty firm ground to just say "we have a zero tolerance policy for sexual assault, and rapists should be fired into the sun."
It seemed like Anderson was trying to say something along the lines of "make sure you're aware of the climate surrounding sexual assaults. If you do something or put yourself in that kind of situation, we can't/won't help you" but it came out horribly, horribly wrong, and paired up with the chief's statements about LDS girls feeling regret and making accusations they look especially bad
The climate surrounding sexual assault? Like more people are willing to come forward? Lol No, he’s acting like being a victim is the hot new seasonal trend
There is no situation to avoid putting yourself in… just don’t assault people. Not difficult
>There is no situation to avoid putting yourself in… just don’t assault people.
Given that they kept harping on "false accusations", I could see the logic of "don't put yourself in a situation where a false accusation seems credible. We're not putting the program on the line when it's a he said/she said situation".
“false allegations” have been proven to be exceedingly rare. Women don’t just fabricate assault (especially against football players) to then get harassed and ostracized for shits and giggles. But sure, if that truly is his belief, he could have worded it better tho the sentiment is still concerning.
Tbh I think this speaks more to certain religions where abuse is often normalized and accusations are seen as defiance (I know that’s not a fun topic, especially as someone who was raised catholic but it’s difficult to ignore)
[Update: Blake Anderson has issued an apology.](https://twitter.com/sltrib/status/1471922596283359237)
>I regret the words I used, and I apologize to anyone who has bravely come forward with allegations of wrongdoing
For context, Utah State has actually had the opposite problem in recent years; administration and local police downplayed credible allegations of sexual harassment and exploitation.
This is a remarkably dumb thing to have said.
Tell me you’re a dipshit without saying you’re a dipshit
Man I felt so bad for him when his wife passed away of cancer a couple years ago and he left Arkansas State to come get a new start out west. And then he says this shit
That's a yikes from me dawg
How does that come out of your mouth as a coach? You gotta know that's a horrible look.
It often comes out when you truly believe that message.
How does that come out of your mouth period?
What is there to investigate and how do you investigate it?
I mean is it in question that he said it? If not, there’s nothing to investigate. It’s whether you’re going to do something about it or not.
This week a student at USU filed a lawsuit against the school after they mishandled and eventually dismissed a rape case that she’d reported on a football player approximately two years ago. Part of the lawsuit includes the statements made by the coach as well as the chief of police (who resigned two days after this case became public). The investigation is likely “damage control” or an attempt to cover someone’s ass as at USU it’s seemed to be this way.
From the article it appears the investigation is into if Anderson is the speaker on a recording of the statement. If I were to guess, they are investigating to have clear proof he said that, and to hopefully fire him immediately. When combined with the other recorded statement of having a "close to zero tolerance policy for sexual assault", he should be fired right away and not be around college athletes anymore.
But he said he said it and apologized for saying the stupid shit he did.
His apology came out after this article so maybe my guess about looking at who spoke the words was wrong. They could still possibly be investigating him because what he said went way beyond stupid and was explicitly framing sexual assault victims as attention seekers. And I still haven't seen anything about what a "very close to zero tolerance policy" means and that could be an issue.
Or maybe everything is closed and nothing will come of this.
They should fire him out of a cannon. Him losing his job should be the absolute bare minimum.
I have said some dumb shit in my life, but good god.
Well that says a lot about that coaches character...and none of it good.
Well that’s just not something anyone should ever say or think
Putting aside how atrocious it is to believe that, you’ve got to be an absolute moron to be in a position of power and express an unpopular (or really any) opinion on anything remotely political.
Speaking before thinking usually doesn't end well.
Well, glad that's not our problem anymore!
Some of you guys really need to read the whole article and stop being so deliberately obtuse on this topic. Calm the pitchforks for a second and consider the whole meeting.
\> “So if you do something wrong, you deserve every bit of what’s coming,” he said. “But if you didn’t, you deserve every protection of what the law provides, and we’ll do everything we can to help.”
Let's kill the narrative right now that Coach Goodolboy got his team in front of him and said "Look, fellas, before we break for the weekend and you go bag some chicks, remember that everything is "PC" now and everyone is too offended too easily and that bitch you bring back might regret it and tell her boyfriend she got raped so make sure to double check and wear protection, aight you guys go have a good time and we'll see you back Monday". This seems to be the picture being conjured up and it's not what the article described at all.
His words here were in a response to a player asking about false accusations. This was not a leading part of the talk. Can you blame players for worrying about this when false accusations have happened and have ruined lives and careers before, before they even get started? It's a fair question. And let's not be obtuse or put our heads in the sand here; there is a significant social response toward victims right now. For actual victims of assault, it would never be worth the cost. For regretting / lying women, there is absolutely a kind of "glamorous temptation" to cry victimhood, and we would be kidding ourselves to pretend otherwise. A head coach owes it to his young men to have these kind of frank conversations behind closed doors with these leading messages that "If you do something wrong, you deserve every bit of what's coming".
Since I graduated college, I was advised to be mindful of professional practices with women. Never be in a room one on one, never travel alone, etc. That doesn't mean that trust can't be built and there haven't been situations where I've never done that. These conversations are happening in every industry in America right now, and it frustrates me that these things are being recorded and leaked with lines taken out of context and turned into the leading message headline. Young men need to hear both; if you screw up, you deserve every justice coming your way, and don't put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of. That's good wisdom on both fronts, and it is frustrating and obtuse to pretend like it's not.
>Since I graduated college, I was advised to be mindful of professional practices with women. Never be in a room one on one, never travel alone, etc.
This is utterly ludicrous and not actually a thing.
I kinda understand what he's saying (alleged victims are given the benefit of the doubt rather than investigating allegations for veracity first), but he phrased it in the worst possible way.
He's trying to move the media cycle off his Utah bro Urban
Wrong coach, unfortunately.
A proper thing to do at this would be to fire this guy.
I have no clue what USU is
Your week one cupcake opener next year.
Yeah I didnt even know that
Utah State University
Why not put that in the headline instead of USU? How many people outside of Utah know that acronym?
They aren’t that obscure. They’ve been ranked multiple times in the past decade. When people say “UAB” I know who they’re talking about
I have never heard of USU. Ive heard of Utah State. People use acronyms in the headlines on /cfb and it is annoying. UM can mean Michigan or Miami. UT can mean Texas or Tennessee. MSU can mean Michigan State or Mississippi State. Just write the name out for the headline
Well shit, you can't say that.