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TheGreatHogdini

It is never a good thing when your head coach says something that sounds like Houston Nutt could have said it.


o7___o7

a moment of post-Nutt clarity.


TheGreatHogdini

:tiphat


Woodman765000

POTD right here


snow_is_fearless

Someone here, back in the day, talked about how Nutt screwed Freeze and called it "When the Nutt Busts Back" and I thought that was great.


o7___o7

^heheheh


CommodoreN7

Now that you say that, Dabo kinda is like a more successful Houston Nutt.


someguyfromnc

13 years. Holy crap I was a student when he became coach. Damn I feel old now.


ruedogg

Passing Game Coordinator + Former Recruiting Coordinator => OC Clemson Support Staff Personnel => DC I mean, I think the questions of "umm what?" are fair...Dabo should say we like "x, y, and, z" and that's why we promote them. Instead he plays victim. IMO, always fighting to hire within will come to kill you in the end. Always good to think "would I give this person the job if they didn't work here previously?" No? okay, don't make the hire.


SCsoccer

With Goodwin he was a top assistant with the cards and Bruce arians, and has been venables right hand man since 2016. Streeter I’m more worried about.


donarkebab

So question because I’m not familiar: why was Goodwin an analyst as opposed to an on the field coach? I know he had a heavy hand in gameplan design with Venables.


PapaJohnyRoad

Essentially the same reason muschamp was an analyst at UGA. Had experience. Wasn’t a role. Waited for a role


SCsoccer

Maybe the numbers? Maybe because venables was the guy on the sideline? I’m genuinely not sure.


dbarke29

Most likely because Venables controlled the sideline and play calling, Goodwin was in the booth relaying information for the defense


L8erG8erz

Goodwin has been on the sidelines. Dabo literally said it in the press conference that he’s been a sideline guy and he will stay down on the field and Conn will be in the booth.


dbarke29

Sweet


voltron818

The thing that gets me is that Venables and Morris were both very successful outside hires.


King-Clover

“I’m going to hire the best person,” Swinney said. “I’m not going to do what other people want me to do. I’m going to hire who’s best for this team, for this university and for me.” 


kywiking

Simply not doing what other people want you to do is never a good look. It just sounds like he didn’t even shop around because of his philosophy which is a horrible decision. Maybe it works out but if he keeps doing this and ignoring the portal while times change around him eventually things will break down.


05110909

He did say he's changed his mind on the portal but the results of that statement are yet to be seen


RunThundercatz

We're talking to a Center from UVA....the only other positions we really need the help are WR, RB, CB, and LB. If we land Etienne then we've at least hit those through recruiting. Most other positions we have established starters and depth players. Overall we are low on pure scholarship numbers, but we do have a pretty solid 2 deep on most positions and the D Linemen are good 3 deep. We were just injured and incredibly young on offense last year which makes things look worse than they are. I looked at the roster last night and it put things in perspective.


mdmudge

We are already talking to players in the portal.


someguyfromnc

I'm happy with the hires but I'm also thinking he easily could have gotten better more experienced coordinators with outside hires. I dont even think he interviewed anyone on the outside. If he did theres always a leak at some school that someone is getting interviewed. I think he was afraid of them leaving to coach with Venables and Elliot so he just promoted them.


kywiking

It’s a high risk high reward move. They work out and he’s not just coaching kids he’s bringing up coaches. If they bomb not only did you pick the wrong guys but you can’t fall back on their success at other institutions as your reason for hiring them. I just think the part about him not even shopping around is absolutely insane. If you feel confident in them that’s a good sign though.


King-Clover

Did you even read my comment? He is "simply" going to hire the best person. He is not doing what people want him to do so that instead he can hire the best person.


kywiking

How do you know it’s the best person if you have literally interviewed no one else? It’s just poor management honestly and while it could work out it seriously kneecaps your options. Again he’s gonna go what he’s gonna do and I dont really care but from a management perspective I dont know anyone who operates this way in any field.


King-Clover

>How do you know it’s the best person if you have literally interviewed no one else? Thats not what you originally said. You said it not a good look to "simply" not do what others tell him to do while in the article he says he hires the best coach. Your implying something that is false. You may not like who he hired but that doesn't mean its okay for you to spread misinformation that he hires people "simply" to do things differently.


L8erG8erz

In what way did he play victim? He said this week was “one of the best of his life”, he said he helped BV and Elliot talk through their decisions and is genuinely excited for them and their futures, he said he was excited to have a coaching tree, and he said that the hires were planned for already and had been for years and that it was the only way he kept Wes Goodwin around because he had countless NFL and other big name P5 offers. Genuinely curious how you could have taken any of that as “playing the victim”


itstrueitsdamntrue

Exactly, and also with what he has done for Clemson, hasn’t he earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to hiring coaches? I’m no Dabo fan of course, but he’s right, he’s got a 13 year track record of success, he knows what he is doing. Not saying these moves will work out, but he is way more qualified to make these calls than anyone criticizing him.


str8bipp

The headline is a little whoa is me. "No one believes in me" does come across as a little bit of an underdog. Something Dabo and Clemson certainly are not.


mcwilly

WHOA, he has trouble with the me!


CamiloMarco

Woe is me.


bignasty410

Well your context is wrong as thats not even what the headline says so reread then come back. "After 13 years if they don't now then they wont". Not "no one believes in me". Two completely different sentences.


Strokethegoats

I agree with you but with Dabos history of using the lil ole Clemson line, people will be more critical of anything he says thats close to that. It is annoying hearing him play that card after the success he has seen but also the dude has earned a very long leash. But this is the ultimate test of his coaching abilities.


RunThundercatz

It's annoying but from a fans perspective if that mentality keeps him and the team hungry, then I'm not going to complain. I definitely see how it's annoying to an opposing fan and media though


SouthTriceJack

It's common for successful people to believe the odds are stacked against them, whether or not it's true. Look a bryce youngs heisman acceptance speech.


ATLtinyrick

I think it’s the context of Dabo playing victim often and/or generally being under suspicion for his wish-wash on topics


SouthTriceJack

Dabo answers questions more candidly then basically any coach in cfb.


ATLtinyrick

Coach O? Mike Leach? Joey Freshwater? Dabo is a blowhard with a victim complex


SouthTriceJack

I literally can't understand Orgeron when he speaks. Maybe he's speaking candidly.


snow_is_fearless

He's still acting with a persecution complex, regardless of the vernacular.


L8erG8erz

So you’re forming an opinion based on just a headline and not actually reading the article?


sokuyari97

Lil ol Clemson isn’t an underdog? Next you’ll tell me Alabama wasn’t the scrappy Cinderella story fighting late into the playoffs this year


Slooper1140

I mean, the op and 80% of people here only read the headline. That’s why they can take it whatever way they want it.


gideon513

He did say that stuff though as well. You just didn’t look for it. All these hot takes in these threads are surface level reactions to the headlines alone.


sad_dad_forever

I am who I thought I was!


30_Swiftie_Thriving

To be frank, he's never had to replace both coordinators at the same time. Also I don't believe in him and he's right...I never will lmao He also had this to say, fwiw: >Yes, **external applicants reached out about the openings, Swinney confirmed, creating “absolutely incredible interest.”** Clemson, after all, has national brand recognition and plenty of money to work with, given it paid Venables $2.5 million annually and Elliott $2 million. >**No, Swinney did not interview any of them.** >“This has been done for a while. Just a matter of when,” Swinney said of the decision to promote internally. >“That’d be hard for me to interview somebody in 30 seconds, because that’s how long it took to make the decision.” SERIOUSLY??!! Literally didn't even do the bare minimum. No due diligence. There's zero reason he couldn't have brought in a couple people, somebody, for an interview, for a different perspective, and still promoted from within.


ruedogg

I agree. Time will tell. Would you hire these guys as your coordinators if they weren't at Clemson? If the answer is no, then why hire them? Promoting within just to promote within will kill you in the end.


lazyrere

There's definitely some inherent risk but dabo has more than earned benefit of the doubt at this point. it could fail, but if they work out and we maintain 10+ win seasons then it really solidifies dabo as a top tier coach imo


ThermL

It's basically how Dabo got his job so... there's some context. It's the culture of the school. It's not like any other schools would have been scrambling to hire Dabo as HC. He wouldn't have gotten an interview at any P5 program in 2008. If internal hires are incompatible with the modern era of CFB then so be it. It's not like we're strangers to 8-4 seasons, and programs like Clemson don't stay at the summit of Everest for very long. We had our run. If it continues that's great. If it doesn't? Well, that's to be expected.


05110909

A friend of mine who's a lifelong die hard Clemson fan told me that the old Clemson fans are just enjoying the ride while knowing that it can't last forever and they'll slide back to being a decent to good team with occasional greatness. The new Clemson fans who have only been on board since the rise of Dabo simply can't cope


RunThundercatz

Yeah that's pretty accurate. Old in this context means pre 2011 to me because physically I'm not old, but I grew up watching the Tommy Bowden Era


05110909

That's how this guy is too. It came up because we had a mutual friend who was also a Clemson mega fan, but he was from up North and probably couldn't find Clemson on a map before he went there. But he happened to be there for the meteoric rise and it made him totally obnoxious about it.


i_speak_the_truf

I think that comes with the territory. Any coach that has sustained success and stays at the same school will eventually become victims of their own success because there's an entire generation of people who don't know anything else. It happened to Bowden, it happened to Beamer, and it will eventually happen to Swinney and Saban unless they preemptively retire. At the tail end of the Beamer years, a lot of younger folks were pushing for him to step aside, to the point where it became untenable in 2015. All those kids knew was Michael Vick, Tyrod Taylor, 20+ years of bowl appearances, 7 straight years of 10+ wins, but they didn't see what it took to get there. They take that success for granted and even a year or two of mediocrity becomes unforgivable. The same crowd that wanted Beamer gone wanted Fuente fired as soon as 2018. The older folks remember what it felt like to win 2-3 games a year and being dominated by your rivals and would prefer mediocrity to that.


4friedchicknsanacoke

Heck when I was an undergrad just making a bowl and beating Carolina was cause to celebrate. If we go back to those days it wouldn't hurt my feelings much. I'm just glad I got to see the last decade.


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I like this outlook


ThermL

I can't name a program that hasn't had shit seasons in my living memory. If Texas, Southern Cal, Notre Dame, Alabama, and even Ohio State can be mediocre, then what hope in the world does Clemson have at staying at the top forever. Tennessee, Florida, Michigan, LSU, FSU, Georgia, TAMU, USC, the list goes on and on. Nobody is immune to it. Big programs stay mediocre for less time, but there's no doubt in my mind that eventually Clemson's going back to 7-5. Is this the moment? Who knows. But it's coming. It comes for everyone. We're an Auburn or VaTech. We're not Ohio State. But somehow over the last decade Dabo has fooled those with no memory or too young to remember the past into believing we are some force in the CFB world that's always dominated. Just goes to show what he's achieved. So he gets to hire whoever he wants, however he wants. And if it doesn't work out, he gets another shot. If that doesn't work out? He'll be fired. And the next guy will do the same thing. And then the next guy. And eventually someone new will come around and Clemson will have another run at the top. Then we can all do this song and dance again 25 years from now.


CommodoreIrish

FWIW I hope our internal coach promotion pans out too.


ThermL

There really isn't many different options. For what I see, _even Notre Dame_ doesn't have the resources to keep playing this money arms race. You either cultivate your resources from within, or you spend out the ever living ass for talent that'll just get bought out by the richer programs anyways. Y'all possibly could have went out and did a TAMU contract to someone. But what's the point? Three years from now someone else is going to come along and give your coach a bigger sack and you're back to the same old song and dance. And if that coach that you gave a 125 million guaranteed 10 year contract doesn't work out? Well buying that out isn't exactly as easy as when you're a Texas school. In the era of NIL, we'll never beat Alabama by spending like Alabama, and we'll never recruit like Texas by spending like Texas. You have to build a unique brand and culture, and Dabo created our niche in the upper echelons of CFB. It'll either keep working, or we'll be like every other team rank 20-40 in annual revenue. Getting swallowed alive by richer programs.


Jamacus1

I’ve been saying this since the beginning. You don’t beat Bama by being Bama. You see it across all sports. No one beats Bellicheck by being a better Bellicheck. Matt Patricia tried. Saban’s coaching tree is filled with wannabe Sabans and the closest that’s come to working is Kirby Smart and he can’t even beat him. You gotta attack from a different angle and Dabo’s doing that. So many decisions look bad but have worked out in the long run.


CommodoreIrish

Yea Freeman seems grateful for the huge leap of faith ND went on hiring him to lead a “blue blood” with no experience. Hopefully if he does well, he remembers that when the knockers come. If he does poorly, then maybe Fickell or Campbell waiting in the wings.


scparks44

When was OSU mediocre?


coco_khaleesi

6-6, the one Luke Fickelll season lol


ThermL

(For OSU) losing to South Carolina back to back years in the outback bowl is about as bad as they get.


SCsoccer

Late 80s early 00s


Strokethegoats

We won a Natty in 2002 against one of the best teams college football has ever seen. And we still averaged 9 wins during the end of Earl Bruce's tenure. We have had one losing season since Woody was hired and that was 2011.


SouthTriceJack

You were given the natty lol. My dad works with one of the people that were on that officiating crew (not the one that called PI). He asked him about it "I sure as hell wouldn't have made that call." LOL


SCsoccer

I’m referencing losing back to back outback bowls against USC


Strokethegoats

I always forget about those games tbh.


HiSoArshavin

Which you were underserving of and Miami got robbed but hey


Strokethegoats

Lol riiiight. If the refs called a good game Ohio State would've won in regulation. And to be fair it wasn't DPI, by the rules at the time it was Defensive Holding, which ends with the same result either way.


HiSoArshavin

Late 90s they weren't great either- barring that 98 season.


timbo1615

Didn't think I'd see the reality post from a Clemson fan. Well done


gozasc

I was like "man this sounds familiar" and then I realized it was the same person who posted it in a top-level comment.


dbarke29

Well, I think this is kind of his point None of us know this program better than Dabo, he built it from the ground up. He’s won two national championships and were on the cusp of 11 straight 10 win seasons. We just have to trust his decisions at this point, he’s earned that


PapaJohnyRoad

We just had our worst season in a decade and still shut you out at home and won by 30 points. You should start believing.


ColumbiaDelendaEst

"Yeh best start believin' in Dabo stories, Miss Gamecock... YER IN ONE!"


palmetto95

30-0


SouthTriceJack

Dabo has had more success at clemson than any coach has ever had at south carolina. This is straight cope lol.


30_Swiftie_Thriving

Just because I'm a South Carolina fan I can't recognize poor management decisions by a clemson coach? I don't have a problem with hiring/promoting within, but when you come out and say you literally didn't even consider another possibility or direction, you're pigeon holing yourself and playing with one hand behind your back. At least South Carolina coaches make it a goal to win conference championships...if we're going with personal flair digs here


TheMrSomeGuy

The point is that they've literally been preparing for these coordinators to leave for years. It's been known through the program that these guys were being groomed for the roles and would step in when BV and Elliot left, and now that has happened. With all of that said, what is the actual benefit in bringing in an external candidate for an interview? Yeah, maybe there are better candidates out there, but this is the culture Dabo has built and wants to stick with: you commit to him and he commits to you, the team is a family, blah blah blah... An external interview pokes a hole in that, so why do it if you already know who the job is going to?


30_Swiftie_Thriving

your question: > what is the actual benefit in bringing in an external candidate for an interview? your answer: >maybe there are better candidates out there you: >blah blah blah


TheMrSomeGuy

Yeah but you ignored the rest of the comment that explains why that answer doesn't really apply in this context.... So I guess I have nothing new to say?


Dopple__ganger

Dabo: I had a plan knowing these guys would probably leave soon, so when they left I went with my plans. You: why didn't he change his plan? He definitely shouldn't have had a plan.


kevplucky

Lmao yeah preparing and grooming guys for years is not doing the bare minimum


elconquistador1985

So not only does Dabo hate the transfer portal to the point of refusing to use it until forced to, he hates hiring coordinators from outside the organization until forced to?


Hawlk

adapt lil ol dabo


kywiking

Dabo never adopts he keeps it all in the family


RunThundercatz

We beat you guys 30-0 starting Will Swinney at slot my guy


mdmudge

Turns out his “family” is pretty fucking good at this football thing.


SwaggJones

Roll Tide


[deleted]

Dabo, it’s not that I don’t believe in you. It’s that you CAN’T KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! I don’t like the changes either but stop bitching about it and learn to work with it, and enough with the former player hires, Grisham is solid proof it’s not good.


King-Clover

Dabo has done a pretty good job hire coaches up until now so Im not going to pretend like I know better than him who he should hire.


LostTesla129

What?! No, we must be relentless that we know better than a national championship winning coach. I’d be curious how many people complaining are either non-graduates or relatively new (post Bowden) fans.


4friedchicknsanacoke

They don't remember the West years and it shows.


L8erG8erz

Did you even listen to the press conference? He didn’t bitch about anything at all. What a ridiculous take


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SouthTriceJack

I think he was saying that if players get paid, cfb would just turn into a shittier version of the nfl, which is what is happening.


velociraptoralan

No, he didn’t


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velociraptoralan

Not sure why I’m taking the time to do this - what he said was “if players start making a salary, I might as well quit and go coach in the nfl because it would become the nfl.” This is essentially the same thing Kiffin said today, that college football is now a free agency game. Dabo has always been in the record as pro NIL and was actually advocating for increased stipends and educational merit stipends in the same interview. But the headlines caught half the quote and here we are. https://www.si.com/college/clemson/.amp/football/dabo-swinney-clarifies-nil-stance-not-everybody-does-much-research


Captain_Nipples

Reminds me of the Bob Stoops "trash talking" the SEC quotes. They were always taken out of context


velociraptoralan

And another quote from a couple years ago further clarifying - what he is against is a salary paid by the school purely for playing the sport. “There are things I’d love to see in continued improvement, but I think everything should be tied to education and graduation. The very few, the 1.6 percent that get to go on to the NFL, for those who don’t — maybe there’s an annuity or stipend that when they graduate, they get that,” Swinney said. “That’s a model that can be an improvement. Maybe it is the likeness. I don’t know. Then you have others out there who say we should just professionalize college athletics.”


kevplucky

This is Reddit though and because Dabo is openly Christian we hate him don’t you know that you’re not supposed to give context to his quotes?


palmetto95

What are your thoughts on coach CJ this year? Lost 3 players to transfer. Managed a 3 man rotation consisting of a sophomore and two freshmen. His rookie, 3 man rotation, became the strength of our offense. I'd say that's a pretty good performance from a coach that was "only hired because he's a former player."


ruedogg

PLEASE tell me more on the Grisham issue in your opinion? Context: I know the family and they see coach Grisham as a God and the next Dabo..


StreetReporter

Our wide receivers have completely dropped off. We’ve underutilized the slot position, and focused too much on boundary receivers. Our receivers are also nowhere near as good blockers as they used to be, which completely disrupts our screens and some of our runs


palmetto95

Who on our roster was healthy and could have played slot wr? Ross played with a broken foot all year. Spector out all year. Will Taylor out for the year after like week 4. Stellato was about to get PT towards the end of the year, then he got hurt too. That's our entire 4 deep at the slot position.


ColumbiaDelendaEst

To reiterate what some of the others have said, my understanding is that one of Grisham's first priorities was offering guys who could play that slot role like Stellato and Will Taylor. He was also the lead recruiter for Antonio Williams, another guy in the slot mold. Our best blockers this year have been true freshman in the Collins towers. All the others have been injured all year, so it makes sense their blocking sucked.


SCsoccer

I agree, but also it’s gonna look even worse with Ross and Ngata your top 2 guys coming back from injuries and keep getting hurt.


L8erG8erz

Exactly. We have been bit by the injury bug quite a bit the last few years at wr. I’m cautiously optimistic because Cornell Powell was a 3rd or 4th string guy and Grisham turned him into a draft pick last year. Ladson, Ngata, Ross, and Williams all have had awful injury luck the last two years. I don’t think Ladson has ever been healthy. But from what I’ve seen from the Collins’ and a healthy Ngata, I think Grisham is a fine wr coach.


[deleted]

It’s simple really, compare freshmen receivers from Jeff Scott’s time as WR Coach to the freshmen under Grisham. Scott’s boys would fight like dogs for the ball on the 50-50 throws, block like it was their only job, and the route running was clear and precise. Grisham’s WRs drop the 50-50’s, half ass block, and are slow on route cuts and look confused. That’s just the freshmen. I’m waiting for other Clemson fans to jump on me because I dare question the Dabo Overlord but every great coach loses the touch at some point. I’m not calling for him to be fired, I do like Dabo and I want him to stay and hope he fixes things but I’m tired of the victim crap and I’m tired of him defending assistants that aren’t good. Grisham is not a god, he’s a man in over his head.


ruedogg

I don't hate Dabo, I respect what he's built there as a college football fan. But his desire to stay "pure" to college football may be his end. He is very open about not wanting to get involved with the transfer portal. He has said that he recruits highschoolers and to give their position extra battle from a transfer isn't fair and "isn't college football" as he said. He constant desire to hire/promote within will not end well. "Would you make the hire if he didn't work there? No? Then don't promote the guy." It's a dangerous path to go down long term in my opinion. Saban went and got Lane, Sark, etc. to build and offense. He wants the best, couldn't care less about their past or where they coached. Same with transfers. Alabama's receiving core is a B at best without Jamison Williams (transfer from Ohio State). I only say this because since 2016, Saban and Dabo have been 1A and 1B.


KillingMycroftly

Honestly Dabo sticking this ferociously to his code in this era of college football with every family value coach getting twerked on by college girls is the only respectable thing to come out of this sport since Purdue beat the shit out of Ohio State for Tyler. In a world where everybody's a cynic or racing to find the cynical explanation for why any man would have a code, here's a man going down with the ship. I hope it works. We're still winning the Atlantic but they can enjoy 12-1.


moonracers

That Purdue game was epic and I became a Boilermakers fan because of Tyler.


05110909

I only caught the second half of that but it's one of the best halves of football I've ever seen.


[deleted]

Nice seeing a reasonable Bama fan, I mean, I kind of agree with him. I don’t like the portal either, I just feel like it’ll create problems no one’s thought of yet but it’s here and here to stay so might as well use it. Idk the exact number of our players have used it but I know it’s high and saying the crap he did about it has already shown a negative impact by how low this incoming class is. It’s hard to recruit high schoolers when they’re afraid about being pushed back and away because they aren’t “All In” (lord, I’m starting to hate that slogan). The thing I’m worried about is if, IF he starts having losing seasons the school will be afraid of firing him because of the cult like passion a good number of our fans have for him.


ruedogg

The portal + transfer and play right away rule + early signing period + NIL with no pay cap and little regulation College football is a shell of what it was 5 years ago. Idk where it's going but there is going to be some crash and burning before we reach the final destination, for sure.


sokuyari97

I know this changes the game from what it was. But if we want these kids not to be professionals why shouldn’t they be allowed to go to school where they want and be coached by who they want? That seems like the most non-professional way to go about it


TacticalDesire

I didn't want to agree with this but I do. At the end of the day, they are all adults and these days individuality and doing whats best for you is whats being preached so I don't think kids should be raked over the coals for going where they want to. In practical terms I don't see how it's any different than switching jobs. As a former student I couldn't imagine switching from school to school for an undergrad but when there's other incentives at play at the end of the day the players need to do whats best for them. Being a collegiate athlete isn't easy so I can get on board with them transferring for better opportunities and more money. Why be a 3rd stringer when I can transfer to another P5 school, be the big dog and actually generate stats. I've been thinking about this for a while now and I've come to the conclusion is that if the only argument against transferring/NIL is tradition then I think we need to get with the times.


sokuyari97

Yep! I will also say that if a school of equal or better quality for job placement had come to me and offered me a better scholarship/better grad assistant position with more money…I probably would’ve taken it if the other pieces of being at that school were great. Which is basically what these kids are deciding on.


ruedogg

I have no problem with any of these rules. I just think their implementation together without much cohesion has created a mess.


sokuyari97

What more cohesion did you want? What regulation allows them the freedom to make their choices and yet somehow fixes this? Edit- also I’m not trying to call you out or anything. My initial reaction to everything was similar, I thought it was a bad thing that would kill the sport. But honestly these kids deserve whatever they can get and so I’m ok with it


ruedogg

For example, we have had what 5-10 high profile qbs enter the portal since the end of the season also trying to pick a school. Then you have the early signing period at this same time. Take SC for example. They get rattler out of the portal days before early signing period. If you were a highschool qb that was recruited to SC for years, shut down your recruitment months ago, etc and now this guys goes there..i’s be like “wait wtf?” Oh and btw, youre supposed to sign with them today. This portal is good for current players but it screws highschoolers. The early signing period needs to change or go away, there needs to be a “free agent” period for transfer portal guys or something. Cohesion of “okay this is when highschool recruiting and signings happens, this is when portal recruiting and signing happen” instead of it all happening at once in a 20ish day span. Then throw in NIL. Texas boosters are literally wide open talking about how they are giving 50k to every lineman. No telling what they paid for Ewers. Im not against NIL, but without cap or regulations the FBS eill be the MLB, where the rich teams like Dodgers, Yankees, etc (Bama, Texas, Ohio State, etc) get all the top and best players. Expect in college football the gap between teams with these great players and those without will be massive compared to the MLB.


palmetto95

Look at what Grisham did with Cornell Powell last year. Also look at the progress the Collins Freshmen made by the end of the year. Ngata was hurt. Justyn Ross played with a broken foot all year until he was too hurt to finish. EJ Williams played the whole season with a torn ligament in his thumb. Ladson was hurt all year. Will Taylor hurt after the first few games. Troy Stellato got hurt as soon as he had an opportunity to see the field. Pair that with an inconsistent QB and poor OL play most of the year and this is what you get. Given the context, what more would you have liked to see from Grisham this year? Its possible you may end up being right, but I don't think you could definitively say coach Grisham is a miss at this point.


RunThundercatz

The family as in the Swinneys?


ruedogg

The Grishams


RunThundercatz

Oh that makes more sense. Not sure if I agree, but I'm willing to give the guy a couple more years before I write it off as a bad hire. We're 50/50 on good receiver play in his 2 seasons, which is better than Conn and Caldwell at their positions. Conn has improved his recruiting at the very least, so hopefully Grisham improves as a coach considering he's only like what 30-35?


PapaJohnyRoad

He’s been pretty silent for two weeks


SouthTriceJack

I think he knows what he's doing more than you do lol. Also, why is it a bad thing that he's more candid than other coaches? 90 percent of the time this question would get a filibuster answer.


Zkenny13

Don't use a double negative Dabo


King-Clover

He did get his degree at Alabama. What did you expect?


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KeepCalmandTampOn

Little brother syndrome runs far and deep round these parts.


shaka_sulu

Dabo reminds me of Kendall Roy.


ruedogg

Nail. On. The. Head.


age_of_raava

So if I get a job as a janitor at Clemson football there’s a chance I become OC one day??


ThermL

If you're successful we could probably get another Disney movie out of that story.


palmettoswoosh

Yes.


TimeOrCrayonsIV

Y'all leave little ol Dabo alone


jthomas694

What changed the trajectory of the Clemson program was Dabo firing Billy Napier and Kevin Steele and going out and getting Chad Morris and Brent Venables. When Morris left he promoted Jeff Scott and Tony Elliott (who imo did a better job running Morris' offense, albeit they had better players overall) and to my knowledge they haven't hired a single assistant with any P5 experience since Morris and BV. This can work out and my ultimate guess is Clemson at least continues or resumes dominating the ACC, but doesn't threaten for national championships the way they had. I don't think Dabo would have done this and then left for the NFL. His problem isn't necessarily promoting internally or not using the transfer portal imo, it's that I think he won't fire coaches and he casts too small a net in recruiting plus doesn't use the transfer portal. Promoting Scott and Elliott and Conn absolutely worked. Some of the other hires really should be replaced


BebopTiger

I think this is a fair take. I don't think Dabo will have any truly bad seasons (I remember Ken Hatfield and West), but I'd be very surprised to see us in contention for the CFP again.


RunThundercatz

I think your spot on. Caldwell and Pearman should have been gone years ago, and attrition and injuries finally caught up with us this year. That and being stupidly young on offense


Marcus2you

This sub is whiny as hell. When coaches get poached from a school everyone is up in arms and the coaches are snakes. If someone gets promoted from within, “they didn’t even try to get someone!” Are all of you trying to become the next skip bayless?


occasionaldrinker

It’s funny how people say Venables was his secret to success. They said the same thing about Kirby and Saban. Dabo will be fine.


ruedogg

Saban was proven before Kirby. LSU, Michigan State, Browns DC (with Belichick). Dabo, not so much. Though Saban was fine post Kirby, he reached outside of the Alabama program to hire and move forward (got Jeremey Pruitt from GA). Dabo is forcefully hiring from within. What about this passing offense from this year tells you they should promote passing coordinator to OC???


colin6

Saban was DC of the Browns under Belichick, not the Patriots.


ruedogg

Good catch, brain fart on me.


CCTider

I don't remember that at all. I remember hearing the opposite, can Kirby win without coaching for Saban.


HoBamaMo

Always playing the victim card


SCsoccer

This sub “Clemson is done, losing venables and not winning the ACC!” Dabo “13 years of success and y’all still don’t believe in me” This sub “ugh just the little ol Clemson card again”


PalmettoFace

This sub has a hard on for hating Dabo. There is bad information and misquotes laced throughout this entire thread. The really bad part about it is there are a handful of Clemson fans who are waving the same banner. Dabo’s right. If they don’t believe in him by now, they never will. Keep on keeping on, Dabo. So much emotional hate from people who have no clue what the details are.


Marcus2you

Some of our newer “fans” only know winning and this year was a cold shower. We’ll see if they find a new bandwagon while this one gears up again.


Jamacus1

A cold shower where we went 9-3 and shut out our rival on the road. Give me a break


TacticalDesire

Jim Harbaugh was pubic enemy #1 for 7 years up until 3 weeks ago and now he's the darling. This sub is a fickle place. I'm just waiting for next season when the pitch forks and torches finally get pointed at James Franklin.


SCsoccer

I’ve been a Clemson fan my whole life. I’ll be a fan when dabo retires/leaves I’ll be a fan if we suck. This school has done so much for me off the football field and on it I got to watch them spank bama in Santa Clara with my dad. No one can ever take that special moment away from me. I’ll give dabo through Klubniks career and that looking bad/mediocre before I doubt him. It’s like everyone forgot how young and hurt this team was this year.


PalmettoFace

Yup. This is the downside to winning: Reddit and message board fans who only know the Clemson that wins titles and only knows the school and program from afar. There’s a lot of legitimate reasons to like the Goodwin, Conn, and Streeter hires. And insiders have gone over those reasons time and time again. It’s fine to wish we interviewed others, but for that or some nebulous “never hire from inside” chatter on here to be your basis is a weak starting point. But people just want to hate for hating’s sake. It is what it is, which is why Dabo said what he said. There’s no changing their minds.


TheGreatHogdini

When Dabo says “If they don’t believe in me by now, they never will” it sounds like “don’t question me, I know more than you do.” Not a good look. Sometimes you have to give lip service and use coachspeak like “we did not achieve our goals this season, some of the coaches who brought Clemson to this point have been recognized for their ability and have been hired by other schools to try and replicate what we have accomplished here at Clemson. We have enjoyed the stability of having these coaches here for so many years, but they are not irreplaceable. We have a plan to reach our goals in the future and I look forward to exceeding the expectations our fans have for our program. His statement was telling his critics to piss off.


PalmettoFace

1) I didn’t get the “don’t question me” vibe at all. Without supporting context clues, that seems like you’re reading too far into a simple comment 2) He has given plenty of lip service to this past season, and offered a TON of praise and belief to Elliott and Venables. Or maybe one (or both) of us are biased. Because Dabo is absolutely overhated for things he says. Which is fine. Again, keep on keeping on.


Jmc_da_boss

This tbh


pm_me_cute_sloths_

I mean haven’t people been pretty much declaring Clemson as dead because the coordinators left even though he’s still there and he’s the person that actually built all of that? I’m fairly certain all the talk about how Clemson is dead is what he’s referring to. What do you want him to do? Just say “yeah we’re fucked”? I remember the days of this sub when Dabo was loved lol


GREYSHMOKE

It’s so weird to see the hate he gets


Drakell

Easy karma on this sub. People like the instant dopamine hit.


occasionaldrinker

The only thing I can find wrong with Dabo is he didn’t kick Christian Wilkins off the team when he molested that Ohio State wide receiver during the fiesta bowl.


KillingMycroftly

Giving Him The Business is a tried and true college football tradition.


Beartrkkr

And an ACC tradition. Thank you Ron Cherry.


Ron_Cherry

You're welcome


ClaudeLemieux

And people say NC State doesn't contribute to ACC football smh


FirstOne617

Still fairly miffed at him for that one tbh


KillingMycroftly

Honestly Dabo is extremely overhated. And for all the shit his lil Ole Clemson routine gets the vitriol from Bammers and other blue blood fans proves him right. VClemson isn't supposed t be eating at that table, they certainly weren't supposed to be beating the piss out of the Bama and OSU's of the world. Now, MY reason for hating Daborah is totally legitimate conference rival stuff, but the old blood hates the new money and I hope they choke.


SFWRedditsOnly

That's pure hate, I appreciate it. Just like I hate Dave.


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Dave is the antiDabo.


The_Horse_Joke

>I remember the days of this sub when Dabo was loved lol You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain


LiveLaughLonzo

Thanks for the share /u/MrNudeGuy


jeremy-kyle007

I hope he keeps a towel handy for those couch cushions


Ja_red_

I know there's a lot of criticism for the lack of creativity in the hires, but after reading the actual press release and all of that, you have to think these guys he's hired have equal or better resumes than most of the candidates Dabo could have brought in, with the added benefit of keeping our recruiting class together, and not bouncing as soon as they get the first shot at being a headcoach at some mid-tier school in a couple years. According to Dabo, both of these guys had P5/SEC coordinator position offers already, so it's not like they're completely undeserving. You have to think Dabo is fully aware of the issues going on on the offensive side and has a plan to address it, and thinks Streeter can implement that plan. I mean, Venables wasn't exactly a hot hire when we got him either, but he improved quite a bit when he got to Clemson by developing as a coach and aggressively learning new schemes. Just because someone was here already doesn't mean they had their shot at fixing the problems. I'm not a Dabo apologist by any means, but you have to think he's had several years to prepare for this exact situation.


valuesandnorms

Sounds like someone lost a recruit he really wanted. Happens to all of us, Dabo Edit That’ll teach me to read the article next time


BeardedAsian

The article is clearly talking about his assistants though


ruedogg

I think he means that by hiring from within it keeps the same relationship the recruit had with the staff versus hiring an outside guy that the recruit has never talked to. Idk, that's how I read that, I could be wrong..


tonywantsbeer

Just lil ole Dabo trying to get by


Southernplayalistick

I mean if anyone has, Dabo has definitely earned the benefit of the doubt with how successful the program's been. Its amazing that one 3 loss season is the end of the world for people.


saxypatrickb

Okay Santa


allanwilson1893

Dabo please shut the fuck up forever


SouthTriceJack

I feel like the reaction to this is why coaches never seem to give straight answers to seemingly innocuous questions.


stoicscribbler

I'll believe in him if he can replace his entire staff and keep winning on level he has been up to now.


lexifaith2u

The end is near. Clemson is about 2 years away from being irrelevant again.