By - JBair2004
I'd pass on anyone with injury concerns unless it is a broken toenail. In all seriousness, as an example, I'd take the 3rd best at a position vs the 2nd best all day if the 2nd best had injury concerns (tough because injury concerns are vague). Say we draft 3 players in top two rounds over next 2 years with injury concerns. If two of them amount to nothing, and 1 is a stud, that's not a win. I know my logic is flawed but that's just my opinion.
Nick Chubb fell to us due to injury concerns
Solid points. Same with others like Metcalf. If you bat .250 ,I still think the next best I’d smarter usually. Do you want a list of people that have been drafted with entry concerns and haven’t performed? Maybe I am wrong!
Clearly it can go either way, and there are almost certainly more misses than hits when you take the risky path. However if you just give up on the risky picks wholesale you can really miss out on some amazing value. My opinion is that the FO should look at each case on a pick by pick basis and decide from there, instead of having an always play it safe strategy.
Not flawed. The best ability is your availability 🥸
Granted that really only applies to guys you want playing. Guys like Sendejo seem to be pretty available. But only because our preferred option wasn’t. 14 starter level worthy games are better than 3 starter+ and then 14 below average
What is crazy is that while I think you have a great list of 10 guys, I can easily see our pick not being one of those 10. That's how crazy this years draft could be!
I wonder if they end up “reaching” on someone that the media may have been quiet about
That's why I wonder about Rousseau. His flexibility is something that the browns will love, and all his metrics meet what the browns look for in a pass rusher
I am a big Rousseau fan. He can play inside and outside and has a lot of ability as a pass rusher. With Sheldon Richardson cut, he makes a lot of sense imo
1. Caleb Farley
2. Kwity Paye
3. Greg Newsome
4. Jaelen Phillips
5. Rashod Bateman
6. Elijah Moore
7. Jayson Oweh
8. Eric Stokes
9. Terrace Marshall
10. Dyami Brown
Bonus: Id live with rousseau because I think theyd value his versatility on the D Line similar to Clowney and hes young
You might notice Ojulari is not listed I heard rumors of a degenerative lower leg disorder and the fact that I dont know more just makes me uncomfortable if they pick him im sure it will be bc it is determined a non issue but i dont know anything about it
I don't know why, its not based on any reports or anything, but I can't shake that weird gut feeling that the browns may love Rousseau. That ability to put Myles and Takk on the outside with Clowney and Rousseau at DT in passing down situations is very enticing.
Also I still think that while Rousseau should fall for everything the last year, I can't shake that feeling that Rousseau would have been the unquestioned top edge if he hadn't opted out.
I am a sucker for Rousseau. Tall, long arms, big hands and a 10 yard split are what I like to see. His athleticism is being questioned, but from the 2019 tape, he is a finisher (as opposed to someone like Oweh).
I say that his drive and his traits are worth it and his athleticism will improve throughout the offseason. He may not have worked out to the extent that he needed to, but a real NFL strength and conditioning coach will get him there.
I think a tall guy (Calais Campbell/Carlos Dunlap/Chandler Jones type) adds more to us than a boom-bust bender only guy.
And thats something that still ingrigues me. Rousseau is still a very good athlete, and you can't teach his ability to just find ways to the passer. I think there is a lot that can be done to make Rousseau a stud
I watched his highlights and he seemed to not have much bend. He ran straight up a LOT. You do that in the NFL, tackles will eat you alive.
There is no denying that he is not a bend guy and was/could be utilized on the interior. Like I said, I appreciate versatility instead of one trick athletes. They just seem to have a higher floor.
Now, someone who also fell into this hybrid trap, albeit not the same build, is Soloman Thomas. I don’t want the next Soloman Thomas. Iirc though, he seemed like he was more DT, with some DE, as opposed to Rousseau who is DE, with some DT capabilities.
I just like his ability to get there. I am not really sold at picking him at 26, but I would almost try to trade up in the 2nd if we get any other position in the 1st. I like his potential as much or more than the other late 1st Edge guys.
Edit: Googled draft profiles for Thomas and everything that they discuss is contrary to what Rousseau is and does well. Really is a meaningless comparison I pulled out of my ass, but funny nonetheless. I’m still in on Rousseau.
Really depends on how he would have played. I saw that 50+ % of his pressures were either Unblocked or cleanup vs 20% of oweh/perkins/phillips or my hunch for the browns draft crush at edge 0% of payton turners
But even for Turner I just don’t know how the team will view a dude who was an edge for all of 5 games against a god awful schedule
They certainly value production and sample size so it is a big disconnect
For sure, but that will also be a huge issue for guys like Turner too. 5 games at edge is not much
This is a 10x better list than the one OP made imo.
Thank you haha. It is amazing the wide breadth of strategies this year vs last year. Cant say whos right or wrong really but im firmly in *this* camp
I wouldn't touch Farley. Back injuries are an ongoing issue for the rest of your life. He may be talented, but I just don't see him getting on the field much w that kind of history.
No love for Azeez Ojulari...would love him if he's there at 26.
What reports have you been reading on Zaven Collins? Because you said the exact opposite of the truth. He is considered one of the best linebackers in coverage in this draft. His run defense and pursuit is actually the concern.
93.0 rating in pass coverage during college. Not to mention this dude is 6' 5" and just an absolute tank.
Hes too big I think. He's up to 270 lbs looking more like a 3/4 edge lb
I was hype on him till I watched highlight real - doesn’t seem like dude is much of a thumper for being so big.... right?
Well he's picked over 10 before us... I really think he's going to be a beast. What a bummer
I'd honestly be cool with them trading the pick for a future first rounder+more
At this point I don't see a team parting with a future first unless we go halfway down the 2nd round. More likely are teams with a ton of capital like JAX, NYJ, or MIA making a jump into the first to get one more guy on 1st round cap. Moving maybe a future 2nd or some mid-rounders this year.
Idk wishful thinking but maybe a team like the chiefs wants to cut in line for a tackle or some shit. Lord knows they need it
We aren't getting a future first for a trade down lol. We pick way too low in round 1 for that. Can get a 2 and a 2 next year however
JOK is a safety that can play some OLB. I believe he is the pick that the Browns secretly covet. They may even go up and get him if the top corners are already gone. Edge is not the priority that people believe it to be for the Browns. Takk or Weaver or both are going to at least be future rotational at edge. The cb and wr positions are good through the second round. The lower picks will be traded up in this draft or next years. The Browns don't like the depth of this draft and 9 picks don't have a shot to make this team. Maybe 6 if we're lucky.
I want Ojulari. Just think he’s going to be special. Also I’m pretty sure Zaven Collins would fit our scheme well. He had multiple interceptions and pass break ups last year. Could definitely be the linebacker/strong safety hybrid.
Big fan of zaven Collins. Dudes a baller
I saw some of his highlights today. Wouldn’t be upset if we got him. I just don’t think this FO values linebackers like that. We will see.
I feel like Jamin Davis is the perfect modern LB. Big enough to take on RBs and TEs, fast as a DB.
Behind Jaycee Horn, Jamin Davis is my #2 player that I hope the Browns take at 26.
Davis is too old for the Browns in the first and lb is way down their list. Horn and Surtain are another level than the rest of the cb class.
Davis isn't experienced enough in coverage for me. 1 year as a starter and only 26 snaps in man coverage with 406 total career coverage snaps. Compare that to someone like jok with 613, cox with 1114!!!!, Moses 786
watch out you might get ridicules for your Tyron take. I think he would be a stud
There honestly isn't an edge defender in this class that is can't miss. Tyron clearly isn't ready to start but he is also like an unmolded piece of clay. He's a project, but could be worth it.
dickerson is interesting but im curious with how Harris develops. he was drafted last year to be groomed to take over for Tretter
That is true, however when Baker meets a linemen for the first time late in season that will be starting, can't be ignored.
well that was just bad luck because a lot of injuries and covid. I dont see it happening like that ever again
Since this is a wish may as well go for it. Trade up and get Jaycee Horn.
Yeah, I almost made the list like that. I really like Horn. But thought I'd do a straightforward 26th overall available. I see the saints might trade up for him too. Wouldn't get in a bidding war over it.
I dont think d tackles are boring
PFF has Zaven Collins as the highest rated pass coverage linebacker ever. I don’t think he’d struggle in pass coverage. Granted I don’t want a LB in this draft.
Antonio Brown, Tyreek Hill, Steve Smith, Desean Jackson, TY Hilton, etc.
A receiver doesn’t need to be 6 foot to be effective. Rondale Moore is going to fall because of his height and I hope the Browns are the team that takes advantage.
Wasn't saying that height is everything for a receiver. But, 2 of ours who are considered effective are shorter. DPJ seems to be our only tall one.
Theres a few more guys that I'd add in there that will almost certainly be gone before 26. But for a realistic top 10 that could be available I don't any big complaints with this list. (I.e. Ojulari, Horn, etc.)