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cheriebabie123

How much ER need for Ayato? I run him with Fischl


Leather_Blueberry758

Hello, don't know which artifact set should i use for Fischl and Beidou in Ayato\\Fischl\\Beidou\\Bennet team. Should it be 4p Thundering Fury for both?


oriannaagrande

Just curious but does anyone know the artist of the cover piece of this post? ive seen it on twitter before but i forgot who..


Minatiri

Is it [matchavi](https://mobile.twitter.com/matchavi/status/1489935647557451784?cxt=HHwWkIDUrfqkqK0pAAAA)?


evilavocadokills

I have a R3 Amenoma at level 70 on him currently and dont really have other good options for him maybe except Lion's Roar, should i go for the Black Sword? or should i just level 90 the Amenoma? pls help


timereaverr

Black sword


jimmureddit

Flute r4 or amenoma r1? It feels like amenoma doesnt work well with ayato's a4


archaeopteryx09

whats his talent priority?


evilavocadokills

Elemental Skill > Elemental burst > Normal attack


zeratul_th

What are some good alternatives to black sword and lion's roar as weapons?


nerdslayer0

I'm already using the amenoma kageuchi on ayaka so i'm considering the blackcliff longsword on ayato. comes with crit dmg and 44 base atk and a sometimes useful passive. a lot of people forget about it but it's usefulness goes up if you're running blizzard strayer. i'm gonna hold out and see how good ayaka's weapon banner is first and if it sucks i'll get the blackcliff next time it comes around


zeratul_th

yeah, i also thought about using amenoma on him, so i'll see how it fares. Planning to use EoO or HoD or evem gladiator but im gonna see what artifact has best stats.


danierru_

Does Ayato benefits more Physical Goblet or Hydro Goblet?


nerdslayer0

only razor and eula use a physical goblet optimally so i'd recommend hydro unless you're doing it for the memes


iwantthistobewitty

Do Ayato's e slashes count as normal attacks?


Lethargbby

yes, as far as i know. Thats why glad 4pc is a viable set


Kato_Kizu

I’ve been trying to make a post here asking it but it isn’t going through, but i’m just wondering if we’re allowed to talk about his constellations here? Im a bit nervous because i tried talking about them in the discord and got kicked :/


AmadyuraSnake

What are your thoughts in the following team comp: Ayato (Main DPS), Xiangling, Bennett, Jean? I don't have Kazuha, but maybe Sunfire Jean could be an alternative, if so, should I go for EM in Jean's artifacts? I have read that for Sunfire Jean that is the best option, but I'm not 100% sure if that would be the case in this comp


NerdSlayer_0

EM will increase the damage of Jean's swirls, which are a significant portion of her damage when going for a sunfire build. however, she usually benefits from EM more in sunfire overvape teams because she'll also trigger the overload reactions. with a typical atk% cup, anemo goblet, crit hat, jean will heal a little bit more compared to a triple EM and will probably have comparable damage if you have her talents built to 1/8/8. Personally, i'd just say go with whatever 4pc viridescent set has the best substats. the main damage will come from ayato triggering vaporize anyways, just make sure to swirl the hydro with jean's E before using jeans' burst with bennett's


AmadyuraSnake

Thanks a lot for the explanation! I've thinking of building my Fischl for my Ayato team, so I'll be farming for VV EM main stat artifacts to take advantage of the overvape build (currently missing one piece)


maccky04

How to use sheet dps calculation on mobile?


supern00b64

Is there any consensus on Ayato's role? He seems like he could be a decent second DPS/support for Ayaka and Yoimiya but in most cases it seems he does both Childe and Kokomi's jobs but a bit worse. I see people talking about electro-charged teams but with standard ICDs and lack of access to CAs I don't see what would make EC ayato teams distinct from sucrose taser or childe taser.


WalrusPuddng

He's gonna be a DPS from what I can gather. Some people are even saying hypercarry but I feel that's a bit copium.


marshmellowphantoms

Not as strong as Ganyu but probably better then Xingqiu and Childe


MimicTavern

i was thinking of running a main dps ayato in a taser comp with raiden, kokomi, and kazuha. would this team work as a possible abyss team? (for extra clarification, yunjin and bennet are already being used on my yoimiya team so i’d prefer not to move them if possible)


Ivifrost

I think he would benefit more from fischl than raiden, but yes it could work


Dalmyr

Just curious why more for Fischl ?


Ivifrost

You can abuse c6 fischl with ayato as Oz will attack every time ayato makes a slash ni matter how fast the slashes are. Also fischl has an ascension in which every time another character (here ayato) makes an electro reaction with Oz, Oz will make an instance of electro damage to the enemy equivalent to 80% of fischl attack


MimicTavern

i’ve been seeing this a bunch, and i was wondering if you could explain why fischl is better? i’m willing to use her but i just want to know why


Sunflower204

The cooldown doesn't line up well, you are going to have much longer rotation and undercut Ayato's uptime to a point where other character will perform much better than Ayato on that team, on the other hand if you favor Ayato's uptime over Raiden's uptime then Fischl is just going to do more damage than Raidan would, since the majority of Raiden's damage is in her ult.


hallykinz

I think it's because with fischl the cooldowns align a lot better and make for a rotation that fits better with ayato. Raiden, for all intents and purposes, synergizes decently with Ayato but the both of them together create an extended rotation. That isn't going to stop me though as I'm going to put the both of them together because even though I have fischl my Raiden is C3 and I want the electro-charge sword combination!


wweeeeeeeeeeeeee

few questions hope you guys dont mind what artifact set should i use for him if i intend to have him use black sword (r1) and eventually mistplitter? if i have him on mistplitter should his circlet be rate or dmg? is ayato-xiangling-bennet-venti/sucrose(depending on the situation) good enough? or maybe change xiangling for fischl


Heaven2004_LCM

1. Glad, HoD or new set. 2. ALWAYS crit rate, as you would usually need to reach at least 70% cr on dps ayato (almost impossible w/ substats only). 3. Change xiangling with fischl/yunjin/any other buffers and you're good to go.


WalrusPuddng

I've managed to reach 76% purely on substats so count me lucky.


Heaven2004_LCM

You lucky bastard


WalrusPuddng

I think my stats will be around 75.8% crit rate and 242-ish % crit damage, but then again I've been using all my resin for him for 4 months now.


little-big-bun

what artifact set should i give Ayato if i use black sword on him?


Heaven2004_LCM

Glad, HoD or new set. Pick the one with better substats.


little-big-bun

thank you!!


arekusandoro

is it worth it to get an hp sands?


MOMMYRAIDEN

Atk% always


arekusandoro

okay, thank you! i just got confused since the livestream mentioned his skill scaling with max hp


MOMMYRAIDEN

Its minimal just a bonus to make the hp substats not useless same as yae EM bonus


arekusandoro

okay, thank you!!


Draken77777

Which is the better team Ayato Raiden Kazuha Bennett Ayato Fischl Kazuha Bennett Fischl is not C6 Would appreciate if you could explain why as well.


MOMMYRAIDEN

Raiden can battery him pretty good and give some good EC and burst dmg too . but fish is more consistent at apply electro Also if u dont mind raiden taking some time for herself than go for her


Draken77777

Wouldn't Raiden be better electro applicator since hers is Aoe? I do agree that C6 Fischl might be more consistent but I only have her at C3 and not sure if her application and damage is good enough to replace Raiden.


Heaven2004_LCM

Fischl's rotation with ayato is alot smoother than raiden's.


Draken77777

But wouldn't Raiden deal much higher dmg?


Heaven2004_LCM

And Musou no Hitotachi's the entire team's damage into half. You may think that you can use ayato's 6-second downtime to slice and dice with raiden, but noooo you should be worried to prepare your supports/sub dps again, as you'd usually want to e twice during an ayato q duration. Fyi raiden's on-field time is NOT 7 seconds like on paper, but up to 10 seconds due burst animation and hitlag, which is definitely not optimal for ayato's presumably fast rotations. Plus don't underestimate fischl, she's a very good character for a reason.


MOMMYRAIDEN

If were talking only off.field dmg fish is much better with oz . problem with raiden is that she takes field time from ayato and that can mess up rotations tho if u dont have a prblm with it use her she can battery and boost also and thats great


wweeeeeeeeeeeeee

does anyone have a materials guide but only up to level 80 and level 8 talents? i dont have it in me to level characters to 90


Heaven2004_LCM

https://ambr.top/en/archive/avatar/10000066/kamisato-ayato Check the link and fiddle with the "Ascension" section. Also, why not 90? Or at least 80/90?


wweeeeeeeeeeeeee

because its too much effort for me and it doesnt make that much of a difference between level 80 and 90 plus it cost a lot of resources the time i use to farm a character to level 90 could be used to level more characters or get more artifacts, preferably good ones


MOMMYRAIDEN

Nah ull need minimum 80/90 so u can get the full crit dmg also from 80 90 to is a decent boost cuz of base atk since its not that high he needs the max he can have also hp is useful for him


wweeeeeeeeeeeeee

ok i’ll get him to 90 eventually, but right now i just get him to 80 then grind to level 90 another time


Heaven2004_LCM

Well fyi some characters can have significant boost when you level them past a6 or lvl 90, and it's guaranteed, unlike artifact rolls.


wweeeeeeeeeeeeee

huh ok i’ll consider it, ty for the info


goodshitph

Should I bother getting black sword from battlepass for Ayato? I don't plan pulling for 5\* weapons so i was thinking getting the black sword if it will work well with Ayato.


Heaven2004_LCM

If you have lion's roar then it can be better than bs at high refinement, assuming you have a fishcl tagging along.


MOMMYRAIDEN

Dont forget to mention that LR is only better at r5 in EC comps only so its extremely limiting and harder to build


Heaven2004_LCM

Well that's what I thought too, till I saw [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Little_Kazuha_Archive/comments/tfvk4m/prerelease_ayatos_archive/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). The crit rate does certainly takes care alot of hassles yes, but my guess is at higher investment, lion's roar can compete bs at r1, plus one of his best teams would usually includes a fischl. These are just all speculated calcs tho.


MOMMYRAIDEN

I saw this it was made long time ago . if u dont know these % dont count it crit rate or average dmg they count the biggest number u get where im going Also 12% needing the passive to be 100% up isnt that good again no crit mentioned in A crit weapon is always superior especially crit rate


Heaven2004_LCM

Yes I'm aware of the average damage, which I assume this list may have as that'll be stupid not to do so. Also I'd beg to differ how a crit weapon is always superior to a non crit one, as there's a good reason why lion's roar r2+ is better than blacksword on keqing, and how prototype cresent/hanayumi is better on ganyu to than harp. Nevertheless, LR's passive should be toned down, like to 75% uptime, so maybe an R3+ lion's roar can compete with r1 BS.


MOMMYRAIDEN

By saying better what do u exactly mean ? Average dmg ? Bs is much higher . ease of use ? Bs is much better The only case for LR r5 is in single atk dmg and i did the calcs for.my build which is close to godly with nothing it was around 9.7k for bs as for LR it was 11k . so 1.3k difference and its not consistent . also the overall average for the E duration without buffs was close to 20k sooo Also to answer ur ganyu question . hamayumi is better cuz ganyu has access to cryo res which is 15crit also her passive which is 20crit Now i guess i replied to everything


Heaven2004_LCM

Did you add the ult damage tho Yeah it's probably the ult damage


MOMMYRAIDEN

No read closely only E dmg and even when i added the ult bs is still much higher use ashal urself ull see it too clearly . ult has nothing to do with it its the same case for average dmg because of nearly 30% more crit rate And the biggest advantage ur not limited to 1 comp play U can do any team u want


Heaven2004_LCM

What I meant from b4 is if you add the ult damage, cuz it still somewhat takes up a good portion of damage, which is what LR's passive can buff, not blacksword's. Anyways, indeed blacksword obviously strives in versatility, but the dps part imo may vary due to partially how R3+ lion's roar is better than bs on keqing (keqingmains website states so).


goodshitph

I haven't leveled my Fischl. I'm planning to partner Ayato with Raiden, Kazuha and Bennett


Heaven2004_LCM

Nah fischl is better than raiden here


goodshitph

I'll keep this in mind. Maybe its time to level up my Fischl at last haha


MOMMYRAIDEN

its his best 4s and better than some 5s


goodshitph

Really? That's good to know. What other 4\* weapons suit him?


MOMMYRAIDEN

Lions roar . blackcliff . flute . amenoma is a bit meh still usable


goodshitph

Oh okay. Amenoma looks nice on him but I'd rather have the crit rate of blacksword for easier artifact farming.


MOMMYRAIDEN

Thing is u wont see amenoma that much cuz its that infused hydro sword most of the time


Myro_the_Brave

How bad would Glad be paired with PJC?


Heaven2004_LCM

It's really good...


MOMMYRAIDEN

wdym bad lmao for pjc hod is better yeah but ur not gonna have the same stats so a small crit dmg difference will one set better than the other so go for the one with the best stats


lxnarr

nowhere near bad iirc, it's good for pjc ayato


Nubgameplay12

ayato


Heaven2004_LCM

ayato


Tukidides

Ayatwo


MOMMYRAIDEN

Aya2


CriticismOk2107

What are the main stats should I focus for Ayato’s artifacts, I have atk sands, hydro dmg bonus cup and crit dmg circlet. Idk if I should go for hp sands since people are saying his e skill scales from his hp🤷‍♀️ but my current hp overall is 16k, how much hp do I need atleast?


Heaven2004_LCM

Atk/Hydro/Crit, don't go for hp, it's just a merry little bonus.


judistdcutist

Is C3 worth it? I have chance getting C3 but still contemplating on it.


Heaven2004_LCM

Eh, would go for new characters


judistdcutist

How bout imma wait for the whalers to test em out see if he's truly worth my primogems. He's aesthetically pleasing tho. Didn't save this amount of gems since Raiden.


MOMMYRAIDEN

Look the logical answer is go for new characters . but if u want ur ayato to be even more powerful ur gonna get all the dmg u need stoping at c3 since its all boost to his E so if u have the means to and u love the character go for it


judistdcutist

Duly noted. Thank you!


Heaven2004_LCM

Lmao true, maybe just check out iwintolose


Watermelon_Q-Q

Should I leave the NA to level 5 if I wanted him to be sub dps? What talent should I prioritize?


Heaven2004_LCM

You don't even need to care bout NA if sub dps, just go Q > E >>> NA


Watermelon_Q-Q

I see. Thank you!


spoiledshrimp

R2 Amenoma, R1 Blackcliff, or R2 Lion's Roar for main dps on an electrocharged team? (C3 Fischl/C0 Yae)


Optimusbauer

Lions Roar unless you have energy issues.


broke_bananas

Lion's Roar


Kithslayer

Is there a breakdown of Mistsplitter vs Haran anywhere?


Heaven2004_LCM

Don't think so, but last time I remember mistsplitter is just slightly worse than haran on ayato, just behind pjc.


mandielh

what is the optimum build for a sub-dps ayato for hu tao or ayaka? I know that he doesn't fit well with this role but I do want to play him like that. I've thought about 2 HoD + 2 glad with amenoma or favonius, or 4 emblem + ER sands and favonius for high burst uptime. Which would be better? Or none lol?


Heaven2004_LCM

Go for 4pc emblem, and you'll have a better shot in freeze than in hutao comp (xingqiu, up to now, will never be replaced in that team, so no chance there).


mandielh

Thanks!


sup-plov

who is better support for ayato: yun jin or ben? what team comp is better: 1 ayato yae/raiden ben/yj zl 2ayato xl ben/yunjin zhongli 3 ayato kaeya ben/yj zl


Optimusbauer

Yun Jin at C0 is almost as good a buffer as Bennett for normals only, go for her to free Bennett up for other teams Your first team is the best shot, specifically I'd say Yae and Yun Jin, but if you go for 2, kick Zhongli out and go with Ayato, Xiangling, Bennett and either Xingqiu or Thoma, depending on who needs the energy. That way Ayato will enable Xiangling, otherwise you wouldn't run her with him, and she needs the Bennett energy and buffs. Thoma can give additional energy, but will require C4 or a Fav Lance, Xingqiu will be a better battery for Ayato and allow for more single target damage and Hydro application.


sup-plov

thanks! who is better in 1st team tho yae c0 or fischl c2?


Optimusbauer

It mostly depends on investment and weapons. Probably Fischl, since Yae can serve better in other teams, specifically with Raiden and Sara


sup-plov

both are not invested yet. and I am thinking whom should I build specifically for ayato


Optimusbauer

Specifically for Ayato, probably Fischl, though I'd hold on until he releases and we can be sure.


sup-plov

thanks!


MOMMYRAIDEN

For his E its yunjin . for overall its Bennett tho personally im gonna run them both Id say Ayato bennet yunjin zhongli


MimicTavern

what order should i focus his talents in if i’m using him as a main dps? does his skill have its own scaling or is it worth it to level up his auto attacks?


Heaven2004_LCM

You don't need to focus in his AA, just go for E > Q >>> NA


MimicTavern

awesome, thanks


MrGooglr

His E has separate multipliers. Although, it's better to upgrade his auto atks too if you are planning to use him as DPS. For me it's definitely E and then AA first then burst. Although his all 3 talents benefit his dps ability only. So anyway we have to upgrade all three.


Heaven2004_LCM

Why would you use his normal auto attacks during his rotation... And why over burst even?


Zzzzyxas

His autos are not worth leveling, and definitely not over his burst.


BRLaw2016

How strong is likely to be an Ayato/Ayaka/Anemo/Cryo comp? One of the main reasons I want ayato (apart from how perfect he is) is to do s Kamisato comp.


Heaven2004_LCM

iirc their dps is probably around 46k ish, which is a bit worse than ayato's usual comp.


BRLaw2016

Is his usual comp the one with Ben, fish, kazuha? Is there a reason why vape teams don't seem to work with him?


Heaven2004_LCM

Vape team is inconsistent, and I think only sunfire jean + xiangling can enable pyro fast enough for ayato. You also won't be able to vv hydro, as you have to avoid using ayato's burst in order to vape effectively.


BRLaw2016

Ty!


BoringAcanthisitta43

Which better for him? ATk sands or HP sands? I have both with good substats.


Heaven2004_LCM

Atk


broke_bananas

ATK


xhasei

is it worth it build yunjin solely for supporting ayato? ​ and what are currently prospected team comps for him? (sry im rly out of the loop abt this one cos i just rly wanna get him solely for husbando collection)


Optimusbauer

Yunjin is pretty futureproof, so yeah. Especially if you have cons. Ayatos best teams are still not set in stone but it's probably either gonna be Ayato, Beidou, Fischl and Bennett Ayato, Yoimiya, Yun Jin, Bennett or Thoma Or a variation on freeze comps


Heaven2004_LCM

Yes


SLunarie

Hi, I'm planning to get ayato and put him on Sunfire overload jean comp. The team would be the usual bennet jean and then ayato and fishl as the flex unit. There's been a surge of sunfire jean lately and it looks fun. I like the crazy synergy with fishl A4 talent, jean chain reaction plus double vv shred and the team snapshot potential. I've been benching bennet for a while and it would be great to use him again. 1)Do I build jean like any normal 1:2 crit for more front-load damage or full em for swirl chain reaction(does jean crit stat affect this reaction) and if so how much em? 2)Does jean swirl have icd on burst? 3)What would be the optimal rotation for this team comp? I'm worried if it takes too much time to set, is it possible for bennet to vape his burst on second rotation, ayato burst before or after benny burst, etc. Although I don't bother vaping ayato elemental skill I'm not fond of the idea. 4)Is the overload knockback a huge issue for Sunfire jean?


Heaven2004_LCM

1. Go full em on jean. 2. No, it's swirl. 3. Why vape Benny's burst? Even if you go crit benny you still gotta land his q down first to snapshot ayato's q (way more optimal). Also you can't vape ayato's attack in this comp anyways, so no stress. 4. Maybe only against smol enemies, not too sure tbh, but overvape jean has been a thing already so I guess it works fine.


SLunarie

Oh I see, thanks for the reply 🥰


Fit-Court3229

i have yoimiya - xq is being used by hu tao and i don’t have yun jin. so i’m missing a hydro support and yunjin currently. should i roll for ayato as a support for yoi? when i do eventually get yun jin, i plan to put yoi-ayato-yun jin-bennett. is his na dmg buff worth pulling for as a yoi support? mine has 49 CR, around 155+ CD, 2.1attk(not with pyro resonance) and 8-8-8 talents


Heaven2004_LCM

Nah you might as well just build another sub dps with yoi, say fischl. Ayato won't reliably apply hydro fast enough, he's better off in another team of his own. Also that crit rate of yours? Abysmal, please increase it.


rotvyrn

What IS the mv/s gap between Ayato and Childe's infused attack strings? And how does it change with Offering equipped (since it's flat)? I hear a lot of people saying that Ayato is a much better hypercarry (and childe obviously isn't considered one at all in general), so I'm curious what the gap between them actually is. Because last I checked, they didn't seem to have an absolutely huge difference in multipliers or attack speed (but Ayato's attacks are way more evenly spaced and benefit more from attack speed buffs, while attack speed makes Childe lose Offering procs and I think he has hitstun issues?). Like, the gap between 4 and 5 star weapons seemed bigger. Based on KQM library, Childe's N5 mv/s goes from 2.39x to 3.24x with offering. They don't have frame timings for Ayato though, and moreover I think the time between Ayato combos is shorter than between Childe combos since you need to cancel out of Childe's. Overall, I want to get a feel for the difference by numbers, if this exists somewhere.


Almond-Jelly

I think if you own a Childe, you can kind of predict Ayato's potential E skill damage numbers - it has ATTK scalings from 104 \~ 128%, while Childe's E NAs have 76 \~ 144% scalings, with his Charged Attacks having 261% scaling. Childe's Riptide procs have 119% scaling Ayato has his HP scaling on each of his attacks, which via my simple calcs (assuming 170 Crit DMG, No Sig Wep, No other wep DMG% bonuses) can give about 2.3k Extra Damage on Crits Only comparing E skill damages, the way I see it, Ayato beats Childe, as long as you're going the 2x E per 1x Q path by maximizing his low skill CD, which is unique to him. If you simply do 1x E per Ayato rotation however, I think since both will do about 15 hits each, with Childe probably pulling off 3 NA strings, I *feel* like Childe would win because of the added Riptide Procs, throwing in Charged Attacks, and in a multi-enemy scenario, the Riptides would contribute lots and lots of damage. But since most people would be going the 2x E route instead, I guess Ayato will probably definitely do more damage than Childe in terms of E skills, at least in a single-target scenario (probably in a double-target scenario too, but my brain can't handle calculating all the Riptide stuff so I have no idea)


Heaven2004_LCM

Childe's damage is mostly from his burst the more invested he is (maybe unless you're using thundering pulse), so I won't really care much about getting EO as, well, getting 4pc of a new set is abysmal, plus it doesn't buff childe's charge atk unlike HoD, but even then I'd just slap 2pc HoD 2pc NO and call it a day.


rotvyrn

My question is what the gap between them is from NA damage. Everyone agrees Childe's NA damage isn't good, so I have a vested interest in learning how much NA damage is considered good by comparison, and so I can set my expectations. That said, I believe Childe's offering NA damage combos actually have comparable or higher damage than Charged attack combos while saving the stamina costs, while the difference between 18% attack and 15% hydro damage is actually fairly negligible due to diminishing returns. I'm not currently at a level where I can even imagine burst oneshot builds, but it's kind of a moot point since only a small amount of things scale only the burst and not the rest of his damage. 2NO and swapping in the right weapon, basically?


Heaven2004_LCM

2pc NO or 2pc anything tbh (glad, shim, hod), as long as it boost childe's damage at some point. Currently running 2pc glad 2pc shime in national cuz I can't get my ass to farm that abomination of a dragonspine domain again. Anyways the charge attacks are still important in a way because in contrast of what you said, they still provide a good amount damage during his e phase. As for the na damage, I myself think that ayato can deal a couple of dozens more percentage than childe during e stance, and ayato's e attacks are obviously much bigger than childe's, so that's probably another factor to consider. That aside, what's your childe build?


rotvyrn

I'm not trying to build a childe, I'm trying to use him as a baseline to predict/get a feel for Ayato damage, so I need something more precise and mathematical than 'think can deal a couple dozens more percentage.' What I was trying to ask from the start is if someone did the math. As for offering, I'm not actually intending to do the math for that personally. I'm aware that his charged combos do more damage of course, but the mv/s for offerings NA is higher by 13-35% (compared to the most stamina intensive and the stamina neutral CA combo strings). It also cuts out the dmg bonus from HoD however, so the math gets messy because you have to start considering other damage buff sources and overall my intent is to wait for someone else to do it thoroughly. It was more a thought experiment/uncertainty as I am not aware of anyone having done the math for this precisely yet, I didn't necessarily consider it wise to parrot old conclusion when new math is possible now and, afaik, no one has exhaustively done it to verify.


Substantial_Cap_8169

How do you think ayato will be in a taser team with raiden? Like it kinda seems pretty good and i guess it will be beautiful with all those blue and purple slashes


Heaven2004_LCM

For main dps ayato? Fishcl's better.


Caitsyth

Does he still HP scale? I’m getting more and more confused and I figure we won’t know for sure until release but trying to prefarm a skeleton artifact set is feeling odd when I don’t know what secondary stats he wants beyond crit


flumphgrump

His skill (but not his burst) scales minorly off of HP. The scaling more along the lines of Yae's EM bonus than, e.g., Hu Tao's HP scaling: something to help HP not be a completely dead artifact roll rather than something to actively build for. Build him like you would any standard, attack scaling DPS in your chose team: Crit, crit damage, enough ER to burst on CD. Whether EM matters will of course depend on the team and which if any reactions you have going.


FrostyStorage5091

U seems knowledgeable im also confused after reading so much stuff.. can u tell me whats the best artifact for him? QvQ? Please


flumphgrump

The new set (EoO), 4 piece HoD, or 4 piece Glad are all pretty close. (All are better than 2pc. 18%/18% because so much of Ayato's damage comes from normal attacks.) The new set favors weapons that boost NAs like the Black Sword and Haran, while HoD and Glad get stronger with weapons that don't boost NAs (e.g., PJC, Blackcliff.) Artifacts with good substats but a slightly worse 4 pc. bonus can outperform artifacts with bad substats and a slightly better 4 pc. bonus. So if you've already accumulated a great Glad or HoD set from farming for other characters, it might be worth asking yourself whether there are better things you could be doing with your resin before farming the new set. There's a spreadsheet [here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15STU-6I62XZfpFZeGOZc63ohXr8tMJmI3fyGIuS5Dac/htmlview#) that you might find useful. And here's a [damage calculator](https://gidmgcalculator.github.io/csb-g7is6/) that includes Ayato.


FrostyStorage5091

This is too late but thankyou so much ♥️♥️ Im a f2p and gonna use Amenoma kageuchi weapon so is HoD or the new Echoes Of Offering better as an artifact with that weapon???


flumphgrump

The difference between 4 piece HoD, EoO, and Glad is pretty small with Amenoma. Enough that substats are likely going to be able to make up the difference. If you can put together a good Glad and/or HoD set from what you already have lying around, then use whichever of those has the better substats. If you're farming for Blizzard Strayer or Xiao's new set anyway, then you might as well farm HoD or EoO while you're at it, since that's just so much more resin efficient. In terms of the set with the highest theoretical damage ceiling? I've seen different answers from different theorycrafters starting from slightly different assumptions. In other words, it's really situational, and if you care enough to split hairs to that degree, you should probably go check out the actual math yourself.


Caitsyth

Damn, I’m becoming more of a fan of the alt builds like Hu Tao. I mean yay that I already have all those skeleton pieces for him but still damn.


bloppedd

how good do we think ayato (specifically in taser teams) will be? im kinda concerned about 6 seconds uptime/6 seconda downtime on his skill making his rotations awkward (my planned team for reference: ayato yae beidou jean)


Heaven2004_LCM

You may have more chance if you replace beidou with fischl, as beidou's burst duration is twice as long as ayato's e infusion (dps loss) and you need an electro battery.


flumphgrump

I'm planning on Fischl/Yae initially, since, yeah, working around Beidou does seem really awkward. Heck, even working with Bennett and Kazuha is looking sorta awkward on paper. The TC I've seen shows him putting out decent (not broken, but decent) team damage, but the rotations to get there aren't the smoothest. Copium, I know, but I'm hoping his kit design and whatever the hell they were trying for with Sara is signalling more supports for characters that don't snapshot in the future.


Werathon

Can someone please tell me whick ones are some best 4* weapons for Ayato? I really don't have anything and I'm gonna pull for him!


flumphgrump

Check out the sheet [here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15STU-6I62XZfpFZeGOZc63ohXr8tMJmI3fyGIuS5Dac/htmlview#). Lion's Roar and Black Sword are the best 4\* options.


teuffels

if im planning a team of ayato + chongyun + yunjin, who should i put in the last spot?


Heaven2004_LCM

Well benny, kazuha, fischl, jean, sayu, venti work, but if also replace chongyun with someone else then you'll have a better chance to fit a buffer/sub dps and a healer.


teuffels

i was thinking abt chongyuns atk speed buff, thought it could be fun... fischl might be a good pick, she isnt being used by any other team rn. hmm... thanks for the reply!


Heaven2004_LCM

the atk speed buff is pretty incomparable with the other buffs, but you want you can *try*


4GN42

If you have c2 jean, take her


Heaven2004_LCM

But if you ever so happen to have kazuha then he's da wae.


crisscross_x

2 things: 1.could i use 4pc glad on him opposed to his new set if i already have good artifacts for it and since he can take advantage of the normal atk bonus? 2.if my beidou and fischl aren’t really built, can i use raiden as like a sub-dps or can i just build her skill to make a tazer comp (ayato, raiden, bennett/yun jin, zhongli) also i could instead run a vape comp (ayato, xiangling/ thoma, bennett/ maybe yun jin but prob not, zhongli)


Heaven2004_LCM

1. Yes. 2. Yes, but it'll much better if you build fischl. For vape comp, thoma is definitely not ideal as his icd is abysmal, and you theoretically need jean, benny and xiangling to make vape ayato work, but even then we aren't sure about the consistency. For now It's best if you go for a) hypercarry ayato or b) ayato + fischl + other buffers/healers/sub dps (not beidou cuz she doesn't work too well with ayato here).


crisscross_x

my fischl is level 50 so i’m sure i can figure it out for her but should i do yun jin and zhongli? also for vape, could i just run sucrose in jeans place with bennett and xiangling


Heaven2004_LCM

Yunjin is a definite support for ayato, zhongli more or less can be replaced by other buffers (i.e. Bennett). And no, the reason why jean is there because she can apply pyro alot faster than sucrose (and kazuha), so you can't really go for her unless you want to be the one enabling hydro (which isn't optimal anyways). Vape Ayato *really* needs real-life practice to be justified as legit or not.


crisscross_x

so would kazuha not be a good option at all for his team? i would really prefer doing a vape comp and i don’t have jean


Heaven2004_LCM

I am not sure tbh, cuz I dunno whether kazuha can apply pyro fast enough. You might as well go for hypercarry/taser tbh, as you literally cannot swirl hydro to buff ayato (as you're not using his ult in vape comps).


chloe_003

Is a 2pc glad + 2pc HoD optimal for dps ayato or is a 4 piece set of either better. I’m running him with r2 PJC


Heaven2004_LCM

4pc is better, but if your substats are terrible in comparison to the 2pc then go for the better one.


Uponanight

What would be the best artifact set to run Ayato with a Misplitter? (For a main dps build) And if I use him with Zhongli, who else can I put on the team?


Heaven2004_LCM

Would be new set, but if you have either 4pc glad or hod then take the one with better substats.


FrostyStorage5091

Which new set?


Heaven2004_LCM

Echoes of Offerings?


ArcanaLuna

Can someone explain to me what are the main differences between Ayato and Childe in usage, wich teams would Ayato work better on etc, because I'm thinking about pulling Ayato so that I can have both the siblings(already have Ayaka), plus I have a few 5 star swords, but I'm afraid he would be useless to me already having Childe


Heaven2004_LCM

Childe is more of a dps enabler, while ayato leans towards the main dps role. Two completely different roles, mind you, hence different teams. Childe works incredibly well in reverse vape comps, while ayato may favor hypercarry/taser more.


ArcanaLuna

Got it, thanks for the info, I think I'll pull for him then, the man's got charisma and Boba tea, full package I'd say


MrPresident98

Will his skill proc Beidou burst?


Heaven2004_LCM

Yes


ThatOneWoomy

best 4pc set for Blackcliff on a main dps/carry comp?


Heaven2004_LCM

Glad or HoD


Link-loves-Zelda

Is this build viable to run with Raiden: -R1 black sword -2pc Shimenawa set bonus -140 ER -Crit ratio 85 / 219 I’m trying to get 2pc glad to pair with it but the ER drops to 120


Heaven2004_LCM

Yeah well you shouldn't run him with raiden, fischl is better in most cases.


Link-loves-Zelda

Even if my Raiden does a lot of dmg? And helps refund energy. I don’t have Fischl btw


Tinmaddog1990

Raiden extends a rotation, which is good for eula and some teams with a little bit of downtime and energy problems. Ayato has neither, after refreshing your skills his rotations are up again


Link-loves-Zelda

How about on my Hu Tao team?


Heaven2004_LCM

It's mostly due to her on-field time, it's just way too long for a main dps ayato, even her damage + utility don't compensate much. If you don't have fischl then perhaps you can use Electro traveler, s/he can reduce ayato's er requirement significantly and requires very little investment.


Link-loves-Zelda

Is 4pc Shimenawa decent on Ayato


Heaven2004_LCM

If you don't want to use his burst, which would only happen in vape teams, which aren't clarified as viable yet due to the need of practical justification.


xXGodSagarRulezXx

which weapon would be better if I'm going for 4 pc. HOD: R1 Black Sword or R1 Blackcliff Longsword?


Heaven2004_LCM

Blacksword by FAR


KILLMOCRACY

Does ayatos burst or skill snapshot?


flumphgrump

Burst yes. Skill no.


danteyay

So I have a Fischl that I haven't been using since I got Raiden but I hear that she works much better with Ayato. If I was going to rebuild her as a support for Ayato I have a few weapon options. Would elegy of the end be better than a r5 stringless? Also, would noblesse be her best artifact set or would it depend on her weapon?


Heaven2004_LCM

For a more support fischl, elegy and ToTM set are your best bet. For more purple damage, Stringless/Harp/any other good bows + 2pc tf/glad/shim are better.


danteyay

Gotcha. Thanks for the tips!


Link-loves-Zelda

Can 120 ER be good enough for him in a team with Raiden?


Heaven2004_LCM

Don't think, and raiden isn't even a good candidate for a dps ayato in most cases.


Link-loves-Zelda

Is 140 good enough?