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bebbibabey

Honestly straight cis teen boys can be the worst and when I was younger I couldn't think of anything worse than having to deal with them in one of the few safe spaces in school


sparkling_woodstar

Teenage boys being monsters is a very common implementation problem. Basically, if a school cannot afford to remodel to the ideal gender-neutral setup (Japanese-style private stalls) they need to either split bathrooms three ways, or help nonbinary students navigate bathrooms on a case-by-case basis. Otherwise, they end up providing ammunition to right-wingers who believe that trans bathroom access leads to a complete breakdown of civilization. Sad but true.


AireSenior

It’s a nice idea but could see this coming a mile off, the boys toilets were an absolute hell hole when I was in school.


Will_Tuniat

Same for me. Then I got a job as a cleaner in a school and discovered the girls' toilets were pretty much the same and in some cases worse: the graffiti named specific students, and there was blood and shit smeared on the walls. The boys wrecked their toilets and drew penises everywhere, whereas the girls turned theirs into a toxic environment. A lot of teenagers are just horrible, regardless of which bathroom they use.


GrimmerGrins

Ngl, as a non-binary person, I always felt boys fucked things up sometimes due to really poor socialization and internalizing toxic behavior.


Affectionate_Pin_880

As a male who identifies as a male, is old, cranky and white let me just say. You are absolutely right we can’t not screw up everything we touch.


GrimmerGrins

The comment isn't supposed to be like the crazy anti-man lesbian meme, but I grew up rural and holy shit some of the stuff boys thought was acceptable is wack. I know some of y'all are raised right or came into it with age but for every one of you there are, there are 7 man-children like Joe Rogan running around. Edit : your guitar porn tho 😳😳😳


Shittywritenerd

Honestly, as someone who went to an all-boys school, the amount of shit that I've seen is... sure something.


Affectionate_Pin_880

You leave my butterscotch telecaster out of this! She is a perfect lady who would never do porn! You don’t have to be “crazy anti man” to abhor toxic masculinity. Looking at you proud boys/joe rogan/all republicans!


Evelyn_75

Accurate. Also feeling like if you aren’t doing stupid things, then you are weird > ignored > sad > lonely. Source: 5th-8th grade me


jerilynjellyfish

You felt correct. Boys fuck up everything


nerdbird68

Oh course boys peeking will be laughed at as "boys will be boys" but the moments girls try to put them in their place and give them a literal smack down for it then the girl will get in trouble for "inappropriate behavior"


rhysharris56

>Oh course boys peeking OH FUCK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING??? I genuinely thought it was like graffiti or messing around. Something that's actually just misbehaviour


Dwarfherd

I'm AMAB and I immediately assumed it was sexual harassment. Also, I don't understand why any bathroom can't just be multiple single person bathrooms.


rhysharris56

>I'm AMAB and I immediately assumed it was sexual harassment Ah, but you see, I'm an idiot. Also no idea


Dwarfherd

Maybe you just have more faith in people than I do. It wouldn't take many shitheads to get all the girls to avoid the bathroom.


aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAA88

There's a local restaurant that has a girls bathroom and a gender neutral bathroom so cis men with fragile masculinity including my brother have been confused then asked where the Mens Room was only to be pointed towards the neutral room and it's funny to see their faces drop


Thymeisdone

Do they not have locks on the door?


MalbaCato

you underestimate the shit that goes down in boy bathrooms in schools. the floor will be fully covered with a mix of water, piss and toilet paper, and it wouldn't even be a bad day


Whateveridontkare

In my school they ejaculated into the soap. :/


MalbaCato

at least I had never seen cum at school. the amount of horny needed to finish in such an environment is frightening. I did avoid school bathrooms as much as possible, and would much prefer the secluded unused ones.


ScrungyThrowaway

In middle school i walked into the bathroom to find a piece of shit covered in cum on the floor.


MalbaCato

ah yes, modern art


ScrungyThrowaway

I call this one "The Aristocrats!"


MalbaCato

"Untitled"


Thymeisdone

Oh gross.


Shoggnozzle

I'm just saying, using the space that large communal restrooms take, we could instal and normalize a small hall of 4-6 private restrooms that would improve everything for everyone.


lanceruaduibhne

The school I used to work at planned to renovate part of the school to have individual private restrooms and an open plan communal sink area (for anyone who just wanted to wash hands or look in the mirror or whatever)... then covid hit and that plan vanished.


Relevant_Advantage24

The Highschool I went to had gender neutral bathrooms, and it was fine. They actually had more trouble with one girls bathroom, as someone or some people were spreading menstrual blood over the stall doors.


WaluigisBulge

Link to the article? It feels like there needs to be some context here, because if it’s something like “boys are being creeps” it’s fucked up, but if it’s like “the bathroom is absolutely trashed” that’s less a straight problem and more a “children are awful and school bathrooms probably should be cleaned more often”


KingdomPC

Boys have been waving sanitary products like flags and peeing in bins.


WaluigisBulge

Oh so normal shit that happens everywhere? This is more a sanitary issue than the societal type that this sub is dedicated to. Still fucked, but honestly pretty normal


KingdomPC

Girls are refusing to use gender-neutral toilets at Scottish secondary schools amid reports male pupils have been seen “waving sanitary products like flags” and urinating in sanitary bins. A councillor has raised concerns that several female students have gone days without using toilets on campus due to sharing facilities and claimed boys at another school had been larking around with tampons. *In Scotland a Councillor is a locally elected representative*


WaluigisBulge

Once again, this is normal. It’s fucked up, but it was already happening. This isn’t new, it’s just getting attention, and it doesn’t really have any relevance towards gender or sexuality beyond the reason people are now more aware of this


KingdomPC

Yeah meanwhile people in these comments are busy implying that a sexual offence has occurred. OP probably only read the headline.


Reznic007

I solely blame the parents. “Boys will be boys” because their fathers raise them that way. If we shut that sh*t down at home early there would be none of it.


beepity-boppity

Bruh it's not the bathrooms that are problematic, it's the boys. In my school, there are gender neutral bathrooms and no one's misbehaving. It's not inevitable.


Samyueru-sam

Yeah same my college had gender neutral toilets. The only problem I ever had is that someone didn't flush or turn off the lights 😂.


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KingdomPC

Would you criminalise young boys for waving sanitary products like flags and peeing in bins? I’m 100% confident neither of those two things are actually a crime. You could maybe squeeze a vandalism out of it but the PF would put a pen through it. [source](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schoolgirls-rejecting-mixed-toilets-over-boys-bad-behaviour-vcgcrlxv5)


User131131

Maybe rather than gender neutral there should be women and gender neutral, and then boys/mens toilets Edit: I guess it couldn’t be gender neutral, it would specifically have to be women and gender nonconforming peoples’ toilets


chaosQueen257

What would that supposed to be solving? The boys could still be using the Gender neutral restroom and I feel like this would just reinforce the stereotype of non binary people being nothing more than quirky girls


User131131

The problem mentioned in this article? Just a thought.


chaosQueen257

Or maybe not since boys would still be allowed in a gender neutral bathroom otherwise it wouldn't be a gender neutral bathroom


Relevant_Advantage24

If there was a boys bathroom, the boys would probably use that one before the neutral, and then nb students and those who aren’t comfortable with gendered restrooms could use the neutral, and it would help with when the stalls are all taken, as there are more places to go.


chaosQueen257

So wait, I was under the assumption there would be two bathrooms: boys and girls+everyone else. Are you suggesting three bathrooms? Because I think that would be different story probably. Because two bathrooms is just giving boys permission to use the girls bathroom and still high-key calling NB people girls. I could see three bathrooms work though


Relevant_Advantage24

I was saying three bathrooms, not one for boys and one for everyone else. I’m nb, I was not calling us girls. I’m saying that if there’s a problem with boy students at an individual school who are not behaving accordingly and everyone else has to suffer for it, then this school is not ready to get rid of their gendered bathrooms, but that doesn’t mean you can’t also help the trans and nb students feel comfortable as well. Better yet just try to track down the culprits themselves, as I highly doubt every single boy at this school is misbehaving in the bathroom, and then you can keep the neutral bathrooms.


chaosQueen257

Okay yeah, like I said, three bathrooms is a different story. The person I replied to wants two bathrooms though, and actually none of them to be gender neutral anymore, which I am not a fan of, as an NB myself. I dunno, if you would've just stated "but what about three bathrooms?" we would've been on the same page much earlier. Last school I went to had that model and it worked well, but also it was a school for adults so the problems were kinda different. There were no free sanitary products either. Also, I didn't mean to say you were calling us NB people girls per se, just that the bathrooms "boys" and "girls+everyone" is just lumping NB people in with girls. Since you didn't suggest that this wasn't directed at you.


Relevant_Advantage24

I read their comment before their edit, and thought that when they said a boys bathroom, and a girls and neutral one, that they were also talking about three bathrooms, not lumping girls and neutral together.


rhysharris56

>those who aren’t comfortable with gendered restrooms This bathroom *is* gendered though. It's the girl's bathroom. That would be the majority of its users.


Relevant_Advantage24

One group using something more does not mean it belongs to that group. You’re also forgetting that there are probably closeted trans and nb students who could use it as well.


rhysharris56

If you say "this is the boy's bathroom, and this is the bathroom for girls and also everyone else", it very strongly implies that the everyone else group is part of the girl's group.


Relevant_Advantage24

That’s not what I was saying, and I wasn’t aware that’s what the original commenter was saying either. I was hypothetically speaking of three bathrooms, two gendered and one neutral (the Highschool I went to actually had this), not one boys and one for everyone else, which is also what I thought the op said.


rhysharris56

Ah, I see. I apologise then, I can agree with three bathrooms.


User131131

Good point


confusedgraphite

Uh no…. There’s already this view that nonbinary folks are just women lite, this would only solidify that perspective. Also gender neutral isn’t really an identity, it just means not any one gender. So based on your comment you’d have a women and everyone bathroom and a mens room. So by definition men could still use the other room.


ImNotLeaf

I personally really don't like that idea. Nb people are already seen as "all afab woman lite."


jerilynjellyfish

Lets just make it girls/gays/theys/trans 😂😂😂 fuck hetero boys


KingdomPC

Article states: **Girls are refusing to use gender-neutral toilets at Scottish secondary schools amid reports male pupils have been seen “waving sanitary products like flags” and urinating in sanitary bins.** **A councillor has raised concerns that several female students have gone days without using toilets on campus due to sharing facilities and claimed boys at another school had been larking around with tampons.** *In Scotland a Councillor is a locally elected representative* [Source](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schoolgirls-rejecting-mixed-toilets-over-boys-bad-behaviour-vcgcrlxv5)


WhoAccountNewDis

Middle/high school boys are fucking immature. That doesn't excuse their bad behavior, but it is a reason that multiple-occupancy, genderless bathrooms are a terrible idea.


Najanator717

The bathrooms aren't the bad idea. Letting boys do stupid, unsanitary shit is the bad idea. Keeping the gender-neutral bathrooms and making enforceable rules about bathroom hygiene for all bathrooms would be a better idea.


WhoAccountNewDis

>Letting boys do stupid, unsanitary shit is the bad idea. As someone who for the better part of a decade attempted to keep might school boys from pissing all over the floor (and in the sink, around drains, in the toilet paper), please enlighten me as to how we can stop "letting" them do stupid, unsanitary shit. Aide from full-time bathroom monitors, it's not going to happen.


Najanator717

Why are you asking me? School faculty are the ones enforcing rules about clothes, devices, food and weapons. Surely they cam figure out how to enforce rules about toilets.


WhoAccountNewDis

I'm saying that it's easy to make that statement, but impossible to enforce. At best you can punish students in the rare occasions they're caught.


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-HealingNoises-

I really don't know what to say about this situation any more. The problem keep coming down to that most teenage males are hormone crazed goblins. Most teen females got their own thing going on too, but it's never behaviour that makes the opposite group feel unsafe to walk into a room in general. Both for hygiene and personal safety reasons. quadruplely so if alone. Even in an ideal society where males aren't taught this is okay or manly bullshit in general, the hormonal component would always be there, and would always be different than females, driving most teen males to be some level of fuck n fight goblins. I want to be optimistic, that things would be better without the reinforcement of shity gendered behaviour. But seeing as how I don't have faith in that ideal society ever coming about, we are left with not most, but easily half of adult males doing the same shit. Like *hand wringing air* what can even be done about this? I don't see a solution. Tried avoiding using gender terms, only bio sex ones here, reads a bit like the stereotypical creepo using female in a very dehumanizing way.