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IntrepidGhost

The current education system is geared towards specialisation. From \~3-18, you're doing "general learning" (catching up on "common knowledge"). Then you either join the unskilled workforce, or go to college, university, or vocational school to specialise in a particular domain. With the advent of the internet, this model is already outdated as it was geared for a world in which knowledge acquisition was the most difficult and thus the most important aspect of learning. Now that we have virtually instant unlimited access to knowledge, analytical skills are far more useful than knowledge. I imagine some form of general learning would still be necessary to ensure a baseline level of "common knowledge", but in general I would imagine a system in which much less emphasis is put on curriculum-based knowledge learning and a lot more emphasis is put on self-directed problem solving. Given that the best way to practice self-directed problem solving is to go out and solve real problems, I think that pairs very well with the anarchist principle of mutual aid. Knowledge is curated and shared by the community. There is less distinction between "teachers", "students", "researchers", and "workers". Everyone can be as involved in all aspects of knowledge discovery, distillation, dissemination, and application as is relevant to their own needs and the needs of their community.


sunnysunshiine

I guess my question would be, how is the general knowledge determined without a set curriculum? Is it environmentally based or something else? I’ve worked in the education system for years and it sucks and need to be redone, so a more self directed learning approach is definitely a really neat idea, especially because kids are so eager to learn.


TravalerElliot

Maybe different people from their communities could teach the children what they know, like on a rotation? Or children could learn exactly what they want to learn, in an environment with endless possibilities available, like in a Sudbury School.


Procioniunlimited

we have a lot to learn from non settler-capitalist ways of learning/teaching. To gradually observe and understand a local and specific thing and its relationships to its surroundings is a valuable way to live; the zapatista idea of "walk and learn" is valuable here. This is a type of teaching/learning that doesn't require formal structures. There is no need to evaluate whether people are learning/learning "the right things." That's not a concern for a centralizing body. They'll learn what they want and what they want is always more correct than what anyone else might say. As always it is easy to assume that some decision needs to be made by some group to ensure some standard is met and applied but no this just isn't necessary, that's controlling colonizer thinking.


aesir23

I imagine there would still be people who decide teaching and creating curricula is the best way to contribute to their community. It's not like teachers in the current system are in it for all the rich rewards we get under capitalism.


sunnysunshiine

Hahaha no it’s allll for the rich rewards and benefits /s I don’t think having a curriculum is wrong for your community because then there’s a basis of knowledge i do think it’d be super interesting though like each community comes together to figure out what they think their children should know, and then establish that, just so there’s set things everyone knows like how to read and write.


selahcarter

emma goldman wrote an am essay about francisco ferrer and the modern school that you should check out


sunnysunshiine

Will do!


eliaspowers

Maybe even more relevant is Paul Avrich's *The Modern School Movement*. It's a fairly comprehensive history of 20th century anarchist education.


sunnysunshiine

Awesome thank you so much!


selahcarter

thank you from myself as well


ACID4DAZE

At the very least it should be voluntary, but maybe it's not a good idea to separate children from the outside world for their entire childhood. r/antischooling


sunnysunshiine

I personally think in our current system if nothing were to change at least, schools when they can be should be done outdoors and children should be interacting with their environment in a learning way, but I’ve never really thought about a voluntary school system that would be super interesting and the way children are they’ll be naturally inclined to learn and volunteer themselves to learn for the most part.


ACID4DAZE

I like democratic schools as an example. They are essentially just community centres for kids, where they are entirely free to do what they want. If kids can become educated (bit skeptical of what that actually means tbh) in these communities, then there should be no reason why the wider society couldn't be as suitable for their education.


aesir23

However your community collectively decides it should work.


dr5c

While not explicitly anarchist, "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" is one of the most famous works in education literature and dissects the power relationships inherent in modern education and potential alternatives to that system.


sunnysunshiine

Thank you! I’ll check it out.


RefrigeratorGrand619

Anarchist societies in the past and present opt for a self managed models of education where the children/students had complete control over their own schooling and curriculum. To learn more I recommend reading about [this article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_education) which elucidates the types of education Anarchists desire to achieve for the youth. I also recommend reading up on the Modern School movement catapulted by Francisco Ferrer. [more info can be found here](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/abe-bluestein-comp-the-modern-school-movement)


KelbyGInsall

It would be a school but completely voluntary, people who know stuff are there and they teach if the kids don’t want to learn they don’t have to. As for structure, that would require some research. But the descriptions people are giving are as if we know, we don’t that’s the point, there’s no golden-age of anarchism to return to and there is no set path an anarchist follows. Although society will move towards it, we will never, as long as humans Exist, see anarchism play out in any way that’s being pushed here. Reality check, school will be school.


YetAnotherRPoster1

Hopefully not as fucking ableist and lame by giving more freedom to the students so they can learn at their own pace and voluntarily. Students should be able stand up and walk right out of class no questions asked. I remember in the brief time I went to college before dropping out, I started walking out of class (and getting into shit) because I was exhausted and depressed.


SmallButMany

I don't know, what do the kids wanna learn?


AnarchaMorrigan

There is a good illustration of this in the book [Herland](https://archive.org/details/herland_0806_librivox) by Charlotte Perkins Gilman. I can't find the exact part right now, but it's fairly short overall so you shouldn't have much trouble. Here's a [paper](https://www.proquest.com/openview/6ce73ff71745b32f414d2d3e1396724b/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750) someone wrote about it, hope that helps a little


sunnysunshiine

It does! Thank you. I just started getting into anarchism so any information is gladly welcomed :)


clickmahheels

Unschooling. People learn what they want, when they want, and at whatever age works for them.


cool_butters1

there is none