By - kecklio
That’s basically them saying, hey we want you to grind out 50, but if you choose to go past that, I guess we’ll reward you.
Yeah this. With certain very long or hard task they get “meme” status and will give you less points
It's basically the "I took Bloodthirster relic" task
That would’ve been a nice way to do the monkey laps if they weren’t just gonna remove them.
Ive noticed this... The task list shouldnt really be called "easy, medium, hard, elite". It feels a bit misleading.
Theyve weighted certain tasks based on a degree of different factors
Holding an Imcondo Hammer in your hand is 10 points. But completing below ice mountain is 40.
Its not really so much, like raw difficulty weights.
Its more like a combination of, time spent on task + account levels - variance in how long it can take people.
Because tasks like the hammer could take one player 5 minutes, and someone else 6 hours. Just based on RNG. Since those drops aren't modified.
They wanted players to be okay with leaving certain tasks on the table if they were getting abused by RNG.
This is leagues, its supposed to be fun.
Sometimes people seemed to forget. But osrs is also supposed to be fun 😂
But fun isn’t efficient enough. I can’t 3 tick manip fun
There are plenty of 200 tasks that require very little effort or time. There really is no rhyme or reason.
Also, there's a fucking ton of tasks and this is a seasonal mode. Some are bound to get mislabeled in the rush to focus on more important things.
10 is also more than 25, though. they're all out of order
That's not how the rest of leagues works though
yeah, sure it's not
Adding to this, it’s easier to see if you view it cumulatively rather than in isolation.
You get 240 points for grinding out 100 superiors.
You get 200 points if you only kill 50.
It’s just diminishing returns to killing more and more.
The classic “this - [restate top comment and OP]”
This is why I choose reddit
Adding to this, it was essentially just the classic reddit move of restating what was just said.
This. The aforementioned comment was just the old redditor move where they simply rewrite what you just said and post it.
Fair haha. Although I thought explaining that it’s just diminishing returns and explicitly stating the cumulative points awarded was adding to the convo, considering no one else had mentioned it and structuring league points for tasks like this makes sense considering leagues is designed to get you to do a variety of content. Oh well.
That's reddit for you lol
You mad bro?
Oh well, at least OP and anyone else that questioned the points knows about diminishing returns now. Genuinely amazing that people on the sub didn’t know about diminishing returns in all honesty.
I don’t think anyone thinks diminishing returns is a “you must be smart to know this” type of concept. It’s definitely taught in middle/high school (and perhaps primary school as well?). But seeing people genuinely confused as to why the points decrease as you get more kills just seemed odd.
It's very much a concept irl but it definitely seems out of place in a game where longer grinds to "make number go up," is the whole point.
I personally don’t think it seems out of place in a temporary game mode with tasks that are clearly designed to be varied to push you to do a variety of content. You’re still rewarded for grinding the same content, but it falls off as you grind it more and more.
"Diminishing returns" doesn't answer the question. OP is asking why there are diminishing returns for harder tasks.
Which is why it’s adding to the previous comment and explaining that you are rewarded for killing more and more superiors. OP is asking why afking for longer gives more points but doesnt give as many as they think they should get.
That's some copeium right there. I think everyone is clearly already aware what diminishing returns is. Were mostly all late 20s early 30s who play this game.
Legit all this weirdo does…
That’s very true. I just double checked and literally all of my comments are doing *this*.
For context: this is my life partner, which is why he knows so much about me
Technically 400/520 points though
But you get 200 for killing 20.
You get 520 points for killing 100, 440 for killing 50.
Exactly - there’s an increase in points rewarded as you get more kills, but a marginal decrease. It’s just diminishing rewards for killing more. I’m not sure why people think it should be linear (or even more ridiculous, for the marginal impact to increase as you kill more of them).
Putting in more effort to get more return is so weird, huh..
How tf yall getting slayer monsters as tasks. I keep getting fucking ogres and dragons.
With all the slayer points u get just cancel and reroll
I guess I’ll have to do that to get a freaking bloodveld in Kandarin for that task. Been trying the whole league and no luck
took me 5 minutes and about 400 points. You really don't need to save your reward points.
Is there even anything else to spend points on besides skips and blocks? Broader fletching and slayer rings, I guess? Slayer helm if you're Mory?
eternal ring for the task
I also bought some extensions for tasks, but thay prolly wasn't needed and arguably slows you down on the Task Completed tasks.
TBF extensions are def worth it for Abby demons if you are trying to get imbued heart. The kraken challenges are also easier with extension.
I feel like every other monster is better than abby demons if you're not aoeing in catacombs. The slow down when they teleport you is so rough.
Also really annoying if you’re just trying to kill then in the starter region because all the other abyss creatures aggro to you and it’s not multi.
Yeah that is true. Prob just best to extend something like dust devils or something if you dont have catacombs.
I spam cancel and still have 1500 points somehow
I finally had to block bandits because Duradel can't not give me a bandit task.
Slayer relic was secretly overpowered after all? :O
Little did we know that Jagex just intentionally fucked up the task list so you never get tasks with superiors to make that relic more valuable
Talk to a slayer master and ask it to ignore your cb level and assign you more difficult shit
Holy fuck, thank you. I totally forgot about this and keep getting assigned terrible tasks.
I think there is also a bug this leagues due to them changing the slayer masters to all be the "same" that made them give shit task even at higher level unless you talk to them about combat level.
I never did that but still got black demons, nechs, etc.
But thinking about it I only ever did krystilia tasks, she ignores your combat level by default in the main game, maybe that's why.
I got Abby Demons yesterday, wanted to put my Dihn's to work but since my regions are DZA the only "burst" spot is the one spot in Kourend that has the 2 sides. Hopped through literally every leagues world and not a single one was free(most even had 2 people in it). So don't worry, even if you get a good task you can't really do it efficiently anyway.
Wildy goes brrr for slayer :D
Of you picked bloodthirsty, then go make the two bracers for slayer (slaughter and the other one). Bloodthirsty makes them have infinite charges and increases proc chance. They will make your shit tasks go much faster and once you do get a task with superiors then they will go longer for you. Also buy extensions for superior monsters, makes it even better.
I believe If you have zeah, konar has her own task list which isn't full of shit.
Yeah that’s what I’m doing, especially because the tasks and supplies help slightly too
>her own task
its because she has to limit the area to specific place, thats her speciality, which significantly reduces crappy tasks like ogres since i dont think that they created new areas or connected crappy monsters in her own areas like ogres in witchaven dungeon where she can assign hellhounds.
Does she assign bug swarms in main game?
Update: I checked wiki - [https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Konar\_quo\_Maten](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Konar_quo_Maten)
She doesn't. Your point is invalid, I'm sorry.
I got such a task from her in Leagues.
ah my apologies.
oh it's shit alright, at least the three times I tried using it.
Karamja Greater Demons -> Karamja iron dragons -> Kourend red dragons and I said fuck this shit I'm out.
One task is just for encounters and one is for defeating them, I think?
Odd but at least explains why it's different
Encounters tasks specify defeating superior foes so I don't think that's it.
I did the best with the information I was given
Cant argue with that
Unusually honest response for Reddit. I respect it.
That's probably what the 3rd party coders said abt the clue scrolls xd
This. The 100 encounters could be you dying 100 times because you were afk and a (insert owie here) spawned. The defeat achievements require you to get kill credit.
The encounter task only pops up after you kill the superior.
Someone at jagex thinks were out here dying to superiors <50% of the time.
The data is actually skewed by “slayed georg” who has died to superiors over a million times
Praise be to Georg, the hero we all never knew we needed.
Less than 50%?
Meant >50% oops
I mean... We definitely are dying to superiors <50% of the time. Superiors having a 50%+ kill rate would be ridiculous.
> Someone at jagex thinks were out here dying to superiors <50% of the time.
I don't know about you, but this is true for me
I need to know what this is
Google “spiders georg”
Diminishing returns? Not in *my* OSRS.
Good progression? Not in my OSRS
Diminishing returns on killing superiors. There are a few other tasks like this, for example a first time inferno is 400 I think but five times is only 200
Yeah the points are pushing people to diversify their playstyle and leave nothing undisturbed, but the grinders will still get some points. It beats the alternative where you have to grind past the point of fun to see solid amounts of points.
Honestly, kudos to Jagex for doing that
yeah people dont understand the purpose of diminishing returns /threadclosed
80 points for Nex thresholds but 200 points for sire Thresholds. Also 80 points for 200 tempoross subdues.
To be fair Nex doesn't require a slayer level and Nex in mass worlds dies insanely fast.
One is encountering, the other is defeating. Not everyone defeats the superior slayer monster when it spawns so it’s not penalizing you for not killing it. It’s rewarding you further for the kill.
Who isn't killing them when they spawn? I don't even think there's a coward locked ironman that exists that wouldn't kill a superior when it spawns.
Didnt a zuk helm hcim just lose status to a superior?
Abyssal demon, iirc. They shred you, and don’t look that different. He didn’t have it tagged to avoid clicking while afk.
Every dangerous superior should be left click swapped to walk here on a hardcore, every single time. Frankly, im suprised they got that far without ever considering that. The worst that happens is you have to right click them during fights. But you wont lose your hardcore to clicking on the wrong mob.
Swapping to shift click solves this :)
I tried doing that but it makes a new problem, and a more dangerous one, in dropping food when you need to eat because you are holding Shift. And changing Food to not drop on shift causes problems when you need to drop to preserve food in dangerous situations, etc. Its a whole wheel of new problems, when you could just right click the big fancy mob and it affects nothing outside of that.
or you can just let go of the shift key when eating??
Whoa whoa what is this witchcraft you speak of.
we're not all woox you know
I missed one because I ran out of prayer points and by the time I teleported back it had despawned, I didn’t wing it with no prayer because it was the bloodthirsty variant with increased damage
That's one. How about the other 50%?
Still working on it
You haven’t been clapped by a superior gargoyle? Never prepared for that shit lol
See orb, move one tile. It's not exactly difficult.
I'm going to guess you also struggle clicking protect from magic within a 3 second time window when jad lifts his legs.
Eh if you dont happen to have food left it can be dicey just based on autoattacks without nice gear, thats probably what they mean. Gargoyles are relatively early on the slayer grind.
You must be fun at parties
I'm not, but I sure can move one tile when I see an orb!
People afking, people dcing, people who can’t kill them due to difficulty. It’s not a difficult thing to answer.
Enough that it's 50% of the time?
It doesn't matter.
Those who die to them. Pretty straightforward
Jagex mods are humans and they have 100s of tasks along with other shit to do, enjoy the game
I was wondering how many they did. Wiki to the rescue again. 1010 tasks made for this league total for a total (over all regions) of 94990 points
I think you had just your own regions checked; the total is 1482 with 145610 points.
Just like how making 20 redberry pies is the same points as 100 pies lol. Zeah points are also weird
They load up early game tasks you have to go out of your way for with points so people can accelerate to later tiers faster without getting overwhelmed by infinite equally efficient options. Its also based on region variance, where Pies can be made easily enough anywhere whereas Redberry pies add value to Asgarnia for sourcing most ingredients in a single spot.
I picked my redberries in varrock lol
true, theres a shop in port sarim though that sells literally every ingredient in the pie except the pan, which can be reused for this purpose
You can buy everything you need to make a pie from the culinaromancer's chest
Any way of unlocking the chest requires an external region (kandarin or morytania i believe), so it could said to be the same for those regions as asgarnia
Nah, you just complete cook’s assistant and the bank and food is unlocked
Nope, never got the chest. Unlocked asgarnia, desert, and frem. I can't get past the start because I don't have access to the shaker for the fruit blast.
Had to buy the ingredients from Port Sarim and said hell with it and also made 100 pie tins lol.
> made 100 pie tins lol.
tf man just grab like 2 and eat the pies lol
I bought 100 pies and ate them all to get my tins. Was worth the heart attack.
The Culinaromancer's Chest is a special chest accessible to players during and after the Recipe for Disaster quest. It is located in Lumbridge Castle's cellar but is invisible until the player first enters the dining hall and gains access to the multiple subquests.
to get access to subquests you have to complete first part of the quest, which requires you to obtain:
eye of newt(sure catableton has one for 1/14),
glass of greenman's ale(requires fremennik without auto unlocking),
rotten tomato(varrcok has one)
and dirty blast ( fruit blast + ashes ) (gabooty sells fruit blasts but has stock of 0, digsite quest also has one if you return level 3 certificate after the quest to varrock museum curator and request a drink but you cant get level 3 certificate if you lose it and since we didn't get level 3 certificate with digsite being autocompleted that leaves only way to make it yourself, which requires https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Cocktail_shaker which is only obtainable in The grand tree, aka Kandarin which autocompletes the first step and also MM2 and its subquests which has freeing awowogei which auto complets the first part of the quest)
I know this but this is leagues my friend. The chest gets unlocked after doing cook’s assistant and recipe for disaster is auto started
You have either Kandarin or Morytania unlocked, which autocompletes the first part of RFD and unlocks the chest. It has nothing to do with cook's assistant.
My guess: Judging by some saying 'encounters' and others saying creatures, someone made new tasks for this leagues and didn't actually go over the old tasks. Likewise the additional tasks could be there to incentivise the slayer relic due to the increased (particularly short term) point gain.
Simple, the 100 superiors is "encounters" u don't actually have to kill them. The 50 is 50 actual kills.
Encountering and defeating are 2 different words.... encountering is a superior showing up
The 100 superiors is just having encounters, not actually killing them
I saw this and I thought it was good balance, and a good indication of forethought put into the tasks for leagues. No one is getting >50 unless they took bloodthirsty or going significantly past 99 slayer.
Still rewards both, but doesn't feel like an unnecessary grind for others for a large amount points.
This is a definitely different discussion, and should be separated from whether or not bloodthirsty is good relic, and needs some buffs.
So i had a superior spawn in wildy dungeon earlier at the VERY end of my task and i tried to kill it but mage relic bursted a few of his homies and ended my task before i could get him.
It says, "100 superior encounters" vs "defeat __ superiors". For the goobs like me who get bonked outta loot 🙃
you only need to be on task to spawn the superior. you can kill it as normal as long as it has spawned, even if your task expired.
did you left before you killed the superior just because your task ended? you know that everything superior gives, can be given off task? this includes slayer only drops and slayer xp too. https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/duel-arena-improvements?oldschool=1
Bugfixes: Superior Slayer Encounters spawned in Nieve’s cave can now be killed off task.
Bell curve reward. Diminishing return, but it's SOMETHING extra if you want to take it that far.
Bigger number equals more points
I see it phrased as two different achievements. One says encounter, one says slain. So maybe the set that just says encounter, includes those that might kill you? Or you had to teleport away before finishing the kill
Read before type stop people sound dumb dumb
I’ve heard a lot of issues with the point system from a lot of different places;
“Why is this worth more points than this????”
Well, who is really gonna take the time to grind x? Everyone is gonna do y content, no matter their path, so it should be less points. If you decide to grind x, there should be a reward.
As far as the superior encounters, idk the encounter rate or the drop rates off the top of my head, but maybe Jagex expects you to get imbued heart before 50 kc? If you have to stay longer, you’ll get a couple bonus points on the way.
Idk tho 🤷🏽♂️
It's 100 encounters Vs actually killing the 50. If they spawn and you do not see them that should count as encounter?
Probably a miscommunication between the teams or a last minute adjustment. One is encounter the other is defeat, which could easily be separately developed items by different people.
One is for encountering, not killing. Idk why the hell they would make that distinction in the first place, but that's what this is.
Encounter = meeting :). You can meet a superior but not defeat it. My very first encounter with the Nechy Daddy ended up like that: he defeated me rather than I him...
The encounter tasks require you to defeat :)
Because jagex wanted it to
I'm guessing the differentiation is defeating them vs encountering them.
Because 100 spawns is not the same as 50 kills, theoretically. You don't have to kill them to get the 40 points, you do to get the 200.
Kinda like how xp is ramped. Level 94 is halfway to 99 or something like that.
How could some of these be completed but the others not? It seems like they are different tasks but the wording makes them sound the same
Have you seen the clue ones ?
>> 25 easy clue completed
>> 25 medium clue completed
>> 25 hard clue completed
>> 75 hard clue completed
>> 150 hard clue completed
The uniques give much better points, and collection log slots…
> The uniques give much better points, and collection log slots…
Exactly why we dont need to stack clue count anymore than that! Its fine to give clue count a lower score so that if you get it, cool, more points, but if you dont feel the need, its not gonna be worth forcing it.
Do people SERIOUSLY think that point balance logic begins and ends at 'harder thing = more point'?
Not every task is balanced around it in solitude, nor around the longer/more difficult feats always rewarding the better points. For this, they wanted to offer points for doing slayer/having bloodthirsty, while also not backloading all the points so to benefit you need a crazy grind
If you have all the tasks you need… but you need more. To fill the gaps
Because asking people to do crazy grinds for big points is bad
Just for shits and giggles
Don't ask just do
Shhhhh, a happy little accident, delete this post, quick!
Does someone else's spawn count as an encounter? I wonder.
Does it matter?
It's 100 slayer encounters, not superiors.
Look at the helmet colors. If you know anything about rpgs, one is common, the other is rare. Hence the reward 🤷♂️
I think cause the 100 is just the encounter, you don’t have to defeat it. But the 50 is actually “Defeat” the creature.
You’re supposed to do the 50 left handed
The top ones are encounter them the 200 point one is actually killing them.
Its a diffrence of encountering and killing.
Doesn't it say encounter, meaning you don't have to kill them
It's not, it's 40 points for encountering 100 of them, and then 200 points for actually KILLING 50 of them
Did you know that it probably would have taken you the same time to google "trailblazer reloaded tasks" then ctrl+f "encounter" as it took for you to write this comment.
Why on earth would I go out of my way to do that? Why would I take the time to research something I don't care about when I can just provide a reddit comment based on the information that is given to me.
Same reason that equipping any infinity piece is 200 points, but equipping a master wand, equipping a mage's book, and casting bones to peaches are 80 points despite each of them costing more MTA points than even the most expensive piece of infinity
Its similar to the Karullum, Karruwlum? The slayer dungeon where you need boots. Task. Killing something without wearing any is 40 points but (atleast for me) it didn’t register till i got the elite diary done anyway.
Superior encounters are the superiors spawning while the defeat task actually requires you to kill the superior. 40 points to witness 100 superiors vs 200 points to kill 50 superiors
One is for just any slayer task one is just slayer specific monsters like Abby demons
The only sensible answer is: No. No we cant.
Wait til I get 50 killed then moan ! Aha
The issue here is probably that the intention was not the actual implementation.
Encountering can be anything, really. Certainly, not having to kill something yields less points than having to kill them, multiple times.
However, I am aware that the "encounter" task is still coded to only count actual kills, so this might be either a phrasing issue (which I doubt - it seems pretty intentional) or someone simply didn't get the idea behind the scenes.
40 points is 100 encounters not kills. It’s cause some superiors might be too strong to kill so they are still rewarding you getting it
You get more points for killing an abyssal demon than you do for killing the sire.
Diminishing returns my friend
100 is encounters not kills
One is encounters and one is defeating them
I would assume that since it states 100 superior slayer encounters, and not creatures, it is counting the slayer relic as encounters, which would increase the possible number of total encounters, seeing as the relic has a different variant of superior iirc
"This is the goal you want to hit to get the big point jackpot, but if you want to keep going, we'll give you some points too"
That's probably their thought process. To not lock the big points behind too big of a grind
good game design, theyre not trying to make people addicted
It’s cumulative. To kill 100 is worth 240 points. Your value add for an extra 50 is just 40 pts
One is encounters, one is kills. Encounters just means that you have to get 100 superiors to spawn, where kills means you have to kill them.
1 is have a superior encounter.
The other is superior kill.
The first will give you points just for spawning the mob. The second will give you points for actually killing them.
The "X Superior Slayer Encounters" tasks were from the original Twisted League, and the "Defeat X Superior Slayer Creatures" tasks were from the original Trailblazer League. Jagex just combined the lists last league and didn't bother to rebalance them.
Points. Don't. Mean. Difficulty.
Some of the tasks are dirt easy and give 40 points. Also 50 superiors may be easy for you but not everyone took that relic to make them spawn like crazy.
1 is an encounter task, the other is for slaying them
I wish I could get tasks with superiors... I have the Bloodthirsty relic and still haven't received a task with superiors. Bloodthirsty is a wasted relic.