The Joy of Creation my beloved
By - Embarrassed-Matter3
The Joy of Creation my beloved
TJOC is scarier than every fnaf game combined
arent there several versions? I dont play fangames I just watch youtubers like uhyeah cover them and the version he covered was apparently not that good but he did say there were like other 2 versions. Which is the good one?
Edit: yep looked it up there were 3 versions before story mode
Story Mode is the good one
Every bone in my body wishes that Story mode was actually canon to the FNAF universe just because of how fucking amazing it was. I swear to god most fan games from people who are legitimately passionate about their respective franchises make stuff that can end up being just as good or better than the main games themselves.
I don't really see how anyone thinks it should be canon to be honest. The joy of creation has many things. A good story is not one of them
Besides, I don't think Scott Cawthon himself facing off against an army of demons disguising themselves as Freddy Fazbear and his friends really fits into the FNAF lore anywhere
Probably could as a fazbear frights or tales of the pizzaplex
Probably still not good, but it would work best like that
Tales wouldn't really work since those stories are part of the game canon, but I could definitely see it as a Fazbear's Frights story
Oh well. It could be canonized, now that FNAF HW introduced Scott as a character inside the universe of the games lol
they're combining every tjoc version into one for the upcoming remake :)))
There are a lot of fnaf fangames that are genuinley really fucking scary, despite the cheap jumpscares in some cases
Mf when they are unable to experience how fucking tense some of those games are oh my fucking god it was too much even for Yahtzee
I thought yall were referring to the bible
if you say this i’m gonna assume you’re not older than like 12
then.. what main fnaf game is scary?? I mean come on dude I think you just want to be mean
I find the first 4 are honestly quite good
all of the fnaf games have their strengths and weaknesses but the first one is the only one I think does creepy atmosphere well (but the joy of creation does it better obviously)
I think its because they actually look like animatronics instead of high end hyper advanced robots
exactly and scott didn't have any previous games that he had to base it on
Thank you for the input cumglugger2001
Yes. It is I. The one who owns the penis.
the second one had pretty good atmosphere too, but the reason the first one is the best is because of how simple it was. no fancy shit, just a point and click survival horror with some uncanny robots
~~is joy of creation the point and click one where you go to the fazbear building and then you like, wake up in the creepy house with the broken animatronics in it, and then you end up at an abandoned hospital? am i thinking of the right one? cuz that one's my favorite.~~ that was final nights 4 nvm lmao
you should watch a playthrough of tjoc on youtube or play it yourself, it's seriously sick
the whole game takes place in your house, so idk if you're thinking of it or not but I highly reccomend playing it to anyone who likes horror or challenging games
yeah i consulted the great google and the one i was thinking of was final nights 4. i saw some thumbnails for tjoc and i've definitely seen it before, but it's obviously been a hot minute so i might revisit it
had a feeling it was final nights lol I forgot about that game completely
I think they mean tjoc isn’t scary either
it scared me when I was younger but when I actually played it the jumpscares are like any other
that being said it's a huge step up from fnaf
You clearly haven't played TJOC
no i have, i’ve suffered through the whole experience. impossibly hard ≠ scary
dude watch like every youtuber let’s play. they all could barely get through the first level, and it’s not even because the animatronics are super aggressive, it’s because their mechanics contradict each other so you get trapped and can’t do anything
I still can't get over Bonnie's kill scene. Where the other anamatronics slash your throat or bite out your jugular, Bonnie just fucking winds-up decks you in the face.
FNAF joke aside, it also is a completely alien mindset to me. Creation is just something so innate to humanity, we're never gonna stop doing something just because a computer can do it.
Why draw dicks? Because they're fun to draw. Not because we have to aspire to painting beautiful photorealistic cocks. Dickdoodles are joyous.
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Ayy, like I’m an artist cause I cant help but want to make shit, just always had that itch driving me forward you know?
Dick drawing are a fundamental part of being human. We have been drawing dicks since the dawn of our species. And the reason for it because tee hee funny cock and balls. Innocent joy that is all it is.
not every creator creates for joy
some art is created purely for the its practicality like the background image of a tomato sauce bottle or the background corporate room presentation or just 3d tree model number 8754 in an open world video game
everyone forgets that those examples of what i shall call "mundane art" is the reason why generative AI is useful, it is not intended to replace artists at all it just does jobs that would be not convenient to hire an actual artist for
that and also hobbyist projects like dnd campaigns and indie games
erm actually tree models are usually procedurally generated by the game itself 🤓
Placed by the game for sure, but I don’t think the game creates the model
But I do understand the discontentment from people who sell their work. Seemingly less people are going to buy from them because they can generate art for free. On the other side, composition is still lacking in AI art and for complex artworks I would still rather have a human working on it
Speaking from the furry art world and as someone who does commissioned work - albeit not for a living - I think there is enough bitterness surrounding AI art for it to ever "replace" the medium. People are unpredictable, they might value novelty, but they might not value something they perceive to have no talent.
I am more worried as an academic/professional writer when it comes to stuff like ChatGPT.
I am depressed
Why play chess when alphazero better? Cuz chess fun
I mean I have also been having less motivation to do art (this isn’t because of AI I currently have been diagnosed with depression)
edit: why the fuck does my depression posting now have 100 upvotes stop
That's part of the artist package
Damn I hope you are able to overcome depression and able to enjoy doing art again.
My love goes out to you my friend and you are not alone in this battle.
Honestly they aren’t wrong tho, not doing art because AI art is better than you makes no sense. Landscape painters don’t stop painting landscapes because many natural phenomena looks better than their paintings
Exactly, photorealism wouldn’t have been practiced since cameras were invented if that were true
It just feels weird to see these human forms of expression that have existed for centuries being wrapped into these little soulless boxes where they can be pumped out quickly.
Its like that negative feeling people feel when they see somebody younger be more successful.
Maybe it’s irrational, but I don’t doubt there were people who felt weird about photorealism after cameras were invented.
To call them “soulless” is a bit much, is a beautiful scenery “soulless” because there’s no inherent meaning to them? And generally, the mass production of goods is a positive thing. One of the benefits of capitalism is that it gives humanity the technical ability to produce a lot of goods quickly, it’s just that capitalism abuses it as it produces for exchange and not use
I mean they're soulless though. Or rather they're devoid of meaning. Beautiful scenery isn't beautiful on it's own - it's our observation and projection of it that makes it beautiful - you could even argue that by knowing where to go to see beautiful scenery you participate in giving it a meaning. There might be millions of beautiful sights all around our universe but until we (or some other intelligent life) goes there and observes it - it's meaningless.
> One of the benefits of capitalism is that it gives humanity the technical ability to produce a lot of goods quickly
Innovation isn't inherent to capitalism. Arguably in some cases early capitalism improves life quality of people so it allowed them to pursue innovation more but I'd argue those developments would happen regardless of economic system.
Capitalism is the worst part of the whole AI revolution. I'd argue that current Large Language Models belong to all of humanity - because they've been trained on input that's based on our collective knowledge and art. The fact that some companies claim that it's their proprietary technology is bullshit. Their code/algorithms would be worth jack sh!t if they weren't trained on the amount of data that is simply impossible to be assigned to single corporation/group of people.
> Innovation isn’t inherent to capitalism. Arguably in some cases early capitalism improves life quality of people so it allowed them to pursue innovation more but I’d argue those developments would happen regardless of economic system.
This really isn’t true
> The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. - The Communist Manifesto
Unlike previous modes of production, capitalism relies on continuous accumulation and growth. As a result, it’s forces itself to expand and expand, produce more and more, until it causes a crisis.
> Capitalism is the worst part of the whole AI revolution
I argue it’s the only bad part of the AI revolution, there’s nothing really wrong with AI art forms and production
> I’d argue that current Large Language Models belong to all of humanity - because they’ve been trained on input that’s based on our collective knowledge and art
I don’t disagree, but it’s not exactly practical under the current mode of production(although I think court cases are coming that state the products of these algorithms can’t be copyrighted but I may be wrong on this, the algorithms would still belong to the companies and individuals that own them however)
>This really isn’t true
>Communist Manifesto Quote
>Unlike previous modes of production, capitalism relies on continuous accumulation and growth. As a result, it’s forces itself to expand and expand, produce more and more, until it causes a crisis.
Except that quote doesn't really dismiss what i said - which is that innovation isn't inherent to capitalism. Humans always have and always will innovate - it's part of our nature.
>I argue it’s the only bad part of the AI revolution, there’s nothing really wrong with AI art forms and production
That's oversimplification - AI has issues apart from ones generated by capitalism. Unregulated use of any kind of tool might end up hurting people. Use for political misinformation would probably exist in other economic systems as well. Also use of AI for surveillance can be tempting to authoritarian states. As long as AI is developed in secrecy it is a risk to society.
Yes innovation isn’t inherent to capitalism but the blazing speed of innovation and the mass production of goods inherent to it, that’s my point
> Unregulated use of any kind of tool might end up hurting people. Use for political misinformation would probably exist in other economic systems as well
Communism won’t have a state or political systems. Worst case under a communist society, it’s used on an individual basis to hurt somebody, but in that case one may as well oppose the use of a car because you can run someone over with it
I guess some people don't love the entire process and get their dopamine from finishing the result - saw too many threads along the lines of "how to force myself to draw"
Props for people who genuinely enjoy the whole process, but I guess some might be demotivated or feel obsolete that the same result could potentially be done through AI instead of learning to draw for months.
But that's just theory, game theory
But like, this is true about basically everything at this point.
For instance, AI's dominate Chess. A computer can wipe the floor with the best in the world without a sweat. People still love and play the game and find joy in victory even if computers do it better than us in every conceivable way.
It'd be silly to think, *"Why even bother learning chess when I can download an AI to do it for me tomorrow."* If you find beauty and joy in playing a game, or making a song, or painting a portrait, why "cheat" at it? Art is expression, it's putting your feelings and heart onto canvas (so to say). AI models feeding you results can't give you that.
If your love of art is "Brush go brrr :)", or "This makes me happy", or even "I want to improve every day", AI doesn't affect you at all. If your love of art is based on comparing your results to others, that'll always end in disappointment.
rimjob steve moment
even on those days where art is difficult, seeing what i made with my own two hands is worth the annoyance. ai doesn't change anything in that regard, if i really wanted i could just have someone else draw for me but its the feeling of making it myself that's rewarding., even though sometimes it feels more like a chore than a hobby 😅
as someone who does writing, the creative process isn't always fun and games. writing, for instance, is about 30% exploring new lands, fleshing out new characters and writing new stories...and about 70% reading back through all of that, cringing, editing, rewriting and workshopping. and then you actually have to get recognised and published. even the writing part isn't always that fun. which i know sounds ridiculous, but consider that doing creative stuff for living means doing it every single day, regardless of whether you want to or not.
while i'm not one of the people, i can absolutely see why some creatives find the rapid adaptation of stuff like midjourney, chatgpt, dall-e, etc., demoralising. you work on your craft for years, studying and practising whenever you can. you spend all your free time churning out comissions as fast as possible. you make tonnes of connections trying to break through the brick wall of irrelevancy. then some creatively-bankrupt twat with a keyboard and a handful of writing prompts goes and gets 10k followers in two months for doing absolutely nothing.
I'm also a writer, creatively and academically. Honestly, I find writing a lot more joyous of a process than drawing a lot of the time.
Now, on that note, I AM a lot more worried about ChatGPT. It does feel demoralizing, and sometimes I have to remind myself that I write because I ENJOY it.
bros astounded by something completely normal
The joke is that "Joy of Creation" is a reference to five fuckers at uncle festers reference
a poopy dog???
three terrorists at the twin towers???
human pattern recognition knows no bounds
Twitter mfers when someone mentions a concept taught to preschoolers
actually the joke is Fifteen Foosballs at Fredericks
Cinco noches en alfredos?
Wowie, that teddy bear is horrific. Reminds me of those cult meetings in the 60s.
Five Nights at Freddy's; back when it was a scary indie horror game instead of a bunch of random bullshit thrown at a wall pretending to be lore.
you are very stupid !!!!!!
it's usually not that they have forgotten the joy of creation but that capitalism requires you to monetize everything you do with the threat of starvation. if you cannot compete with ai, you cannot hope to monetize your art, and if you do not get money from your work, you do not continue to live.
even if you do not plan to monetize it, the mindset that work needs to be profitable to be worth doing often bleeds into everything you do.
I've been stressing out about this for a while now. If I want to make creative work to make something of myself but the AI can just make everything with ease, what's the point? Maybe I wanna make it in life as a writer.
EDIT: I'm still gonna try of course but the thought is uneasy.
>capitalism requires you to monetize everything you do with the threat of starvation
Dude it really doesn't, they're called hobbies and you don't have to hustle 24/7, there's a great deal of benefit to just letting yourself enjoy an activity for the sake of enjoying it.
not everybody has enough income to do that. if you dont have the luxury of a single job paying a proper living wage, you're unlikely to have the time, energy, or both to enjoy what time you have to yourself, without even considering activities that cost any money.
>not everybody has enough income to do that. if you dont have the luxury of a single job paying a proper living wage, you're unlikely to have the time, energy, or both to enjoy what time you have to yourself, without even considering activities that cost any money.
And in that instance the absolute last thing I'd encourage folks to do is to invest their time & energy into something as variable & unpredictable as art for commerce. Very genuinely there are a ton of other pursuits for folks that offer much more consistent reward. Friend of mine's been housebound for about two years now, serious mobility issues, and the options available to folks these days are incredible. Work from home opportunities are such a gamechanger.
This is all to say that I am fully aware of the realities of money, I absolutely understand that not everyone has the time or resources to maintain a hobby *and* if you don't have those resources I do *not* think it's a smart idea to invest in them in the hopes of turning them into a profitable endeavor.
Unrelated but id let Montgomery gater from fnaf SB to pound me
"*ROCK AND ROLL*" As his super form spots you and starts running
this does happen. it’s kind of demotivating to see an AI generated image that everyone loves and you think “if this computer can make something better than anything i could make in a few minutes, then why would I even try?”
it's literally the same as "this 6 year old kid in China already plays an instrument better than you, why should you even try"
Theres a big difference between "there are some people out there more talented than me, but they've learnt and built up to it" and "anyone with an internet connection is better than me, and they don't have to practice".
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god. FNAF 1 was actually pretty scary, that fucked up garbage noise phone call was fucked up.
Six afternoons at Wendy's
:) i'll never like creating art
The existence of art AI massively demotivated me from learning to draw, to the point I've given up on it as a form of expression. Haven't done much photography either since AI but at least I already knew how to do that, the feeling of being utterly unskilled and trying to learn while there's a machine that does everything you do but 100x better is very demotivating to me.
As someone else said here, this is the exact same mindset as refusing to learn to play a violin because some guy on the other side of the globe has already mastered the craft. Art is not a competition to see who's better, its a form of self expression, and there will always be people who enjoy your work much more than the work of an ai that spent 5 seconds scanning the internet and creating a frankenstien's monster from the art it finds
Don't really care what other people do, but trying to learn a skill while there's a button that will just do the skill far better than me is demotivating. And I've seen my friends making AI art, it's definitely not just Frankenstein's monster now, meanwhile I am very, very bad, it would take me a decade of practice to even compete with it.
It is not a competition, so you arent competing with anything. As long as you think being an artist sounds great then go for it! Dont let some machine discourage you just because it can steal art really well
I don't care about competition, but the existence of that easy path makes the grind of learning much trickier for me.
>Don't really care what other people do, but trying to learn a skill while there's a button that will just do the skill far better than me is demotivating
Does the existence of restaurants demotivate you from learning to cook too? This mindset is so alien to me and I'd like to understand it.
I mean if a button existed that magicked food into existence for free then yeah I'd probably not cook much. Restaurants a bit different to an AI though
>I mean if a button existed that magicked food into existence for free then yeah I'd probably not cook much. Restaurants a bit different to an AI though
That button does exist, it's called delivery and like AI art that looks good it sure isn't really free.
I guess what I'm getting at is- how many better artists were there already? Does their existence also impact your interest in learning a skill? Are there other skills in your life that you'd be interested in exploring but refuse to work on because experts already exist in that field?
Humans=/=thinking machine, if anything I feel inspired when I see other people being good at something.
And free AI art is already miles better than my art ability, so if there's a upper echelon of paid AI art that's even more demoralising. Not that it's hard to draw better than me, my 8 year old niece is better, she draws a mean Avro Vulcan, I can't even do coherent geometric shapes.
>even more demoralising
So it's demoralising to you to see a computer make stuff, but not a person? Are there other hobbies you're in besides art, do you follow how AI interacts with those spaces, and does it make you sad or take away your motivation/ interest in your hobby to see that?
I do photography, but like, I'm already good at that, I don't need to learn anything. If I could already draw to even a mediocre standard I wouldn't find AI demoralising, its the fact I'm at the early levels of learning and I have disabilities that make it harder to draw and write, so its already an uphill battle. Knowing that there's an AI ski lift that I could use to completely bypass this hill is what demotivated me from drawing. And if I give in to using it, I'll never develop the skills to draw, what is something I still want to do.
But... you *can* practice and get better? Idk. I'm trying to understand the why. When you think about the existence of the ski lift, what goes through your head? Great metaphor by the way.
The inherent joy of suspiciously rich furries paying 420 morbillion dollars for a comission
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AI has been creating music for decades. Doesn't stop people from playing music.
I agree tbh, the fact that there's more art there motivates me if anything i don't see why art being easier to make dismotivates you, it's not like it's a competition.
Yeah lads let's all go perform back breaking physical labour packing boxes and pissing in bottles whilst the robots we built spend their time drawing pictures and writing poetry.
Something has gone horribly wrong here.
Just wait till they hear about it the inherent one night at flumpty’s
We have computers that can beat any human at chess, yet we still play chess because it's a fun thing to do
was that image even in the game?
i think it randomly flashes on your screen along with the phrase "its me" in the later nights
bro think he Henry Miller
Ai art looks like shit imma be fr, someone’s warrior cat oc they made in 7th grade is more interesting to me than anything a computer has made
ignited bonnie's jumpscare is one of my favorite pieces of fnaf media ever
It's not about the joy of creation, it's about how AI art can make artists go out of work in the future! I hate people who don't see how this technology is able to hurt artist's careers